The official Jason Taylor discussion thread (mega-merge)

We dominated the trenches vs the GMen in NYC last year,

we only have a new Pass offense this year... our running game will be the same. We also have a lot of the coaches and systems on Defense and teams carrying over from last year

Burress is streaky and injury prone too

Bruce Smith was already on the decline and was a shell of his former self, Taylor has not shown any signs of slowing down to date

Moss does things that Burress can't too like stretch the defense with his speed. The difference between a Super Bowl and a playoff team is not so big, injuries and breaks play a big role. Who would have picked the Packers to do well last year in the preseason?

Burress is injury prone but the difference is he can still play at a high level when injured and Moss can't. Plus he a red zone threat. If you saw the GB game he simply took the game over against GB's corners in -10 weather with foot and ankle injuries and that's the difference. Moss quit against GB's corners. I'll take Burress over SM anyday of the week.

I do agree with you that there is not a big difference between us and the Giants. They got hot at the right time. If Miami gives up Taylor for a 4th rounder I'd do it. But not a 1st through 3rd. If they want to unload him and his salary then they'll take the short end of the stick. See Randy Moss to NE last year. That's what smart teams do.

If they want to unload him and his salary then they'll take the short end of the stick. See Randy Moss to NE last year. That's what smart teams do.

Are you suggesting that the Raiders were a smart team for unloading Moss to NE?

Are you thinking Bill Parcells is stupid enough to unload a high character guy for a song (compared to a Moss problem child)

I dont think so....

Would YOU unload Jason Taylor for less than a 3rd?
NO WAY....I probably wouldn't do it for a 2nd...he's just that good.
(and now very flexible and unlikely to get injured due to this crazy dancing gig)

Honestly...post draft...any trade talk is likely to get his to consider restructuring to bring down his cap hit....
If anyone gets him for less than a 2nd I'd be suprized...Parcells aint dumb.
But I'd still hope we'd offer him a 3rd and hope we get lucky.

He would instantly upgrade our most questionable position, short and mid term.
NO ONE that is that buff only has 2 years left

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Well last time I checked the Giants D-line simply beat the crap out of NE's O-line when it mattered most.

Giants won when it mattered. Had they not squeaked by in the SB everyone wouldn't be talking as much about the huge need for a killer d-line. They'd be talking about the 18 near murders that the Patriots put on through the rest of the year. What the Pats did on offense all year greatly eclipses what the Giants front 4 did.

Giants won when it mattered. Had they not squeaked by in the SB everyone wouldn't be talking as much about the huge need for a killer d-line. They'd be talking about the 18 near murders that the Patriots put on through the rest of the year. What the Pats did on offense all year greatly eclipses what the Giants front 4 did.

So to jump in here...but I firmly disagree. It doesn't matter what you do during the season, you HAVE to bring home the big one, or none of it matters. What the Giants did in the SB does indeed eclipse the offensive juggernaut that was the Patriots in 07. The Giants won when it mattered.

Are you suggesting that the Raiders were a smart team for unloading Moss to NE?

Are you thinking Bill Parcells is stupid enough to unload a high character guy for a song (compared to a Moss problem child)

I dont think so....

Would YOU unload Jason Taylor for less than a 3rd?
NO WAY....I probably wouldn't do it for a 2nd...he's just that good.
(and now very flexible and unlikely to get injured due to this crazy dancing gig)

Honestly...post draft...any trade talk is likely to get his to consider restructuring to bring down his cap hit....
If anyone gets him for less than a 2nd I'd be suprized...Parcells aint dumb.
But I'd still hope we'd offer him a 3rd and hope we get lucky.

He would instantly upgrade our most questionable position, short and mid term.
NO ONE that is that buff only has 2 years left

Hell no. The Raiders were the dumb asses in that deal. They should've got at least a 2nd round pick. NE came out ahead. Way ahead and that's what we need to start doing when we try and get FA's. Instead we give up draft picks for Brunell, Lloyd Duckett and so on.

How many years do you think Taylor can play at a high level? One or two years. If you think we're one player away from being a SB contender then make the move. I just don't think we're that type of team.

If I were Miami I would just trade him away and get what I could. They're in 100% rebuilding moad. When they're ready to contend he is going to be long gone. I'd ask for a player and a 3rd rounder.

Giants won when it mattered. Had they not squeaked by in the SB everyone wouldn't be talking as much about the huge need for a killer d-line. They'd be talking about the 18 near murders that the Patriots put on through the rest of the year. What the Pats did on offense all year greatly eclipses what the Giants front 4 did.

I don't know about that. Yes, NE's 07 offense was record breaking. But I'm sure if you asked Brady and Moss they'd probably throw those records away if they could've gotten the win over the Giants.

So to jump in here...but I firmly disagree. It doesn't matter what you do during the season, you HAVE to bring home the big one, or none of it matters. What the Giants did in the SB does indeed eclipse the offensive juggernaut that was the Patriots in 07. The Giants won when it mattered.

I too have to go 100% here with Jsarno...the Giants D-line did what no other defense did ALL SEASON! And that was get in Brady's face all game.

That being said...if we "somehow"...could get Taylor at the right price (aka not one that would break our bank as in the past) I'd be all for bringing him on-board. For the same reason that we're talking about...D-line!!! Let's pretend and be SUPER optimistic and say the Redskins go to the Super Bowl this year and face the Pats, assuming their offense is like last years, who here would feel confident with the D-line the way it is against the Pats as of right now???

I too have to go 100% here with Jsarno...the Giants D-line did what no other defense did ALL SEASON! And that was get in Brady's face all game.

That being said...if we "somehow"...could get Taylor at the right price (aka not one that would break our bank as in the past) I'd be all for bringing him on-board. For the same reason that we're talking about...D-line!!! Let's pretend and be SUPER optimistic and say the Redskins go to the Super Bowl this year and face the Pats, assuming their offense is like last years, who here would feel confident with the D-line the way it is against the Pats as of right now???

I absolutely agree.
Although we'd have to take something an 8 mil salary too. Not so sure we need that. But if we could somehow restructure him, I'm all for it.

Personally, I keep waiting for A. Montgomery to form into an A. Haynesworth level DT. I remember Williams talking about Montgomery's unlimited potential, that he did not even understand how good he could be. Since the coaches/FO have chosen to leave the d-line unchanged I keep thinking it could be that they see a break out year ahead too. Then we've got Evans, not much younger than the starters but he seems to produce when he gets his chances.

I'm probably being too optimistic but what I hope to see is a rotation where Griffin and Montgomery can consistently pressure up the middle while Evans and Daniels can swap out. AC doesn't need a rotation because he's in better shape than every other guy on the field.

I still wish we could have drafted d-line talent (and maybe a Taylor deal could work) but at this point I hope Blache and the guys are harnessing every bit of talent we have.

Personally, I keep waiting for A. Montgomery to form into an A. Haynesworth level DT. I remember Williams talking about Montgomery's unlimited potential, that he did not even understand how good he could be. Since the coaches/FO have chosen to leave the d-line unchanged I keep thinking it could be that they see a break out year ahead too. Then we've got Evans, not much younger than the starters but he seems to produce when he gets his chances.

I'm probably being too optimistic but what I hope to see is a rotation where Griffin and Montgomery can consistently pressure up the middle while Evans and Daniels can swap out. AC doesn't need a rotation because he's in better shape than every other guy on the field.

I still wish we could have drafted d-line talent (and maybe a Taylor deal could work) but at this point I hope Blache and the guys are harnessing every bit of talent we have.

Montgomery is the key. He is now going into his 3rd year and he now has two years under his belt. I'm looking for him to take the next step.