The official Jason Taylor discussion thread (mega-merge)

No way. We need the CB depth more, plus Smoot played very well last season and brings a lot of energy and leadership to the team, he's one of thh core guys.

Plus, Taylor is getting older. We know Smoot fits in, we don't know about Taylor.

Not a deal we should do. Especially since Taylor's salary will be MUCH higher than Smoot's and the injury risk and lack of production is more likely to come from Taylor than Smoot.

I've changed my tune a bit, I wouldn't hate it if we got Taylor at the right price, as in a later round pick but I doubt the Dolphins would go for anything less than a 2nd at the worst. Even at 33 he's shown no sign of slowing down and he keeps himself in great condition. He could probably continue to play at a high level for 2-3 more seasons.

Let's be honest, at best the guy has 1-2 stellar seasons left in the tank. Moreover, his cap figure is more than significant. You don't pay for the past, you pay for the future. He's not worth anything more than a 3rd-4th rounder IMO. I'd be fine with giving up a 4th for him and somewhat troubled if we gave up a 3rd for him. Remember, we got Dockery and Cooley in the 3rd round.

I'm amazed that the Dolphins were asking for a first rounder. That's pretty insane IMO. Anyone who gives up a 1st or 2nd rounder for him is crazy.

Let's be honest, at best the guy has 1-2 stellar seasons left in the tank. Moreover, his cap figure is more than significant. You don't pay for the past, you pay for the future. He's not worth anything more than a 3rd-4th rounder IMO. I'd be fine with giving up a 4th for him and somewhat troubled if we gave up a 3rd for him. Remember, we got Dockery and Cooley in the 3rd round.

I'm amazed that the Dolphins were asking for a first rounder. That's pretty insane IMO. Anyone who gives up a 1st or 2nd rounder for him is crazy.

If the Dolphins dont set a high price for Taylor who will?

Getting Taylor is like getting another Bruce Smith. Yeah, he will probably give us two 8-11 sack seasons, which is tempting considering the state of our pass rush, but the cap figure kills the deal. We need to hope Wilson has a big break out year and Griffin stays healty and address D-line in the draft next year and/or with a big time, but young free agent. This is why the front office should have drafted Groves in the second round instead of Davis. He would of helped the pass rush this year as a specialist with Wilson and then took over for Washington next year or Carter in two or three years.

I would actually be thrilled to get Jason Taylor (obviously for the right price). I think he is a great pass rusher right now and probably for another 2 seasons. In the event that he does start slowing down, i feel like he has the frame to put on a few pounds of muscle and adapt his game a little bit to be a run-stopper. I don't think there is much risk in paying him for a few years and having him restructure his contract down the line.

Some of you guys who disagree with acquiring him are rightfully wary of chemistry issues, him fitting into our system, previous FA's gone bad, and dead cap space but i think Jason Taylor is the kind of guy who has so much talent that he is definitely worth it.

2007-11 sacks 56 tackles
2006-13.5 sacks 60 tackles
2005-12.0 sacks 74 tackles
2004-9.5 sacks 67 tackles
2003-13.0 sacks 57 tackles
2002-18.5 sacks 69 tackles
2001-8.5 sacks 70 tackles
2000-14.5 sacks 65 tackles

If that isn't the model of consistency i don't know what is...Considering he lost that complementary guy in Ogunleye in '03 but hasn't missed a beat and has cranked out those numbers, it's really impressive. He get's double teamed nearly every game he plays. I think this is the most important stat to us if we get him...In the past 10 years the Miami dolphins have played 160 regular season games and Jason Taylor has started 158 and played in 159 of those games. He hasn't missed a game in EIGHT years. That is just SICK from the D-end position.

Let Miami release him and then we'll pick him up. They probably don't want to pay is 8 mil salary so play the waiting game. Giving up a high draft pick for Taylor is simply insane.

I'm not so sure about Taylor putting us over the hump either. We don't have a wr like Plax B. that can take over a game. Plus the Giants have 3 or 4 guys that can get after the passer. Right now we barely have one.

I doubt Miami will release him, nothing new has happened here since the draft. Parcells put some bait out there (Taylor) leading up to the draft hoping to catch a big fish (1st Round pick) and when he didn't get any bites he's going to keep Taylor. He also set the tone in Miami moving forward. Taylor is a good bet to have 10 sacks next season and the Phins are way under the cap ($18.5 million of cap room). Unless there are any more incidents/statements here I think Taylor stays in South Beach.

Carter is great speed rushing DE and Griffin is a very solid DT who can get after the passer so I think if we added Taylor we'd have 3 guys who could get after the passer. Santana Moss dominated games a few years ago with his speed. Plex dominated a few games last season with his size when he wasn't hurt.

We are not guaranteed to get a star or even a standout with the 2nd round pick in the 2009 Draft. It's still a crapshoot... for every Cooley and Dockery in the 3rd round there's a Rashad Bauman, Cliff Russell and Lloyd Harrisson. For every Jon Jansen or Fred Smoot in the 2nd there's a Taylor Jacobs, Greg Jones, Stephen Alexander or Ladell Betts. Betts has been a good player for us but worthy of a 2nd round pick? Not IMO. We've had some bad luck in the 1st round too. Is 2 seasons of a proven comody like Jason Taylor playing at a Pro Bowl level worth the opportunity of drafting Ladell Betts in the 2nd round?

Gibbs traded our 1st rounder for an older veteran T Jim Lachey who ended up being one of the key pieces in a couple SB's

It was fun having 3 picks in the 2nd round but if in 5 years we look back and 1 or god forbid 2 of them never make an impact on the field then trading one of those 2nd rounders for Jason Taylor who went on to play 2 more years of 11 sack, pro bowl DE looks like a no brainer doesn't it?

My point is, draft picks are not proven commodities no matter how high they are. If you can mortgage some of that risk over the long haul for less of a risk over a shorter period of time sometimes it makes sense.

I don't see Miami releasing him either. Not sure what his cap hit would be but I'm sure Miami probably isn't interested in eating that for nothing.

I doubt Miami will release him, nothing new has happened here since the draft. Parcells put some bait out there (Taylor) leading up to the draft hoping to catch a big fish (1st Round pick) and when he didn't get any bites he's going to keep Taylor. He also set the tone in Miami moving forward. Taylor is a good bet to have 10 sacks next season and the Phins are way under the cap ($18.5 million of cap room). Unless there are any more incidents/statements here I think Taylor stays in South Beach.

Carter is great speed rushing DE and Griffin is a very solid DT who can get after the passer so I think if we added Taylor we'd have 3 guys who could get after the passer. Santana Moss dominated games a few years ago with his speed. Plex dominated a few games last season with his size when he wasn't hurt.

We are not guaranteed to get a star or even a standout with the 2nd round pick in the 2009 Draft. It's still a crapshoot... for every Cooley and Dockery in the 3rd round there's a Rashad Bauman, Cliff Russell and Lloyd Harrisson. For every Jon Jansen or Fred Smoot in the 2nd there's a Taylor Jacobs, Greg Jones, Stephen Alexander or Ladell Betts. Betts has been a good player for us but worthy of a 2nd round pick? Not IMO. We've had some bad luck in the 1st round too. Is 2 seasons of a proven comody like Jason Taylor playing at a Pro Bowl level worth the opportunity of drafting Ladell Betts in the 2nd round?

Gibbs traded our 1st rounder for an older veteran T Jim Lachey who ended up being one of the key pieces in a couple SB's

It was fun having 3 picks in the 2nd round but if in 5 years we look back and 1 or god forbid 2 of them never make an impact on the field then trading one of those 2nd rounders for Jason Taylor who went on to play 2 more years of 11 sack, pro bowl DE looks like a no brainer doesn't it?

My point is, draft picks are not proven commodities no matter how high they are. If you can mortgage some of that risk over the long haul for less of a risk over a shorter period of time sometimes it makes sense.\

Well last time I checked the Giants D-line simply beat the crap out of NE's O-line when it mattered most. Our D-line does not have that type of ability of dominate. I haven't seen Griff cave in the pocket since 05. He's solid but he can't dominate and neither can Carter. Moss is not a #1 wr. He's too streaky, hasn't put up big numbers since 05 and injuries really seem to hurt his play. Plus he doesn't get in the end zone like Burress does and that's why we drafted Kelly and Thomas.

Taylor would help but we've already tried this experiment with Bruce Smith. It didn't work. Plus we're not really a SB contending type of team. It looks like we're in transition. New coach, new system on offense and so on. So why chase a 34 year old DE that makes 8 mil?? I just don't see him pushing us over the hump. We've just got too many question marks.

If one of these 2nd round guys fail it doesn't cripple the cap for the next 10 years like this Brandon Lloyd BS. I hope we keep on drafting, and add free agents here and there.

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Well last time I checked the Giants D-line simply beat the crap out of NE's O-line when it mattered most. Our D-line does not have that type of ability of dominate. I haven't seen Griff cave in the pocket since 05. He's solid but he can't dominate and neither can Carter. Moss is not a #1 wr. He's too streaky, hasn't put up big numbers since 05 and injuries really seem to hurt his play. Plus he doesn't get in the end zone like Burress does and that's why we drafted Kelly and Thomas.

Taylor would help but we've already tried this experiment with Bruce Smith. It didn't work. Plus we're not really a SB contending type of team. It looks like we're in transition. New coach, new system on offense and so on. So why chase a 34 year old DE that makes 8 mil?? I just don't see him pushing us over the hump. We've just got too many question marks.

If one of these 2nd round guys fail it doesn't cripple the cap for the next 10 years like this Brandon Lloyd BS. I hope we keep on drafting, and add free agents here and there.

We dominated the trenches vs the GMen in NYC last year,

we only have a new Pass offense this year... our running game will be the same. We also have a lot of the coaches and systems on Defense and teams carrying over from last year

Burress is streaky and injury prone too

Bruce Smith was already on the decline and was a shell of his former self, Taylor has not shown any signs of slowing down to date

Moss does things that Burress can't too like stretch the defense with his speed. The difference between a Super Bowl and a playoff team is not so big, injuries and breaks play a big role. Who would have picked the Packers to do well last year in the preseason?