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freddyg12 04-23-2008, 02:56 PM Don't want to takes sides on the dispute as that's about some old stuff it sounds like, but this thread is worth a discussion.
I do think this draft is worth trading up in IF your team has a lot of cap space to sign a top 10 pick. It costs so much to sign these guys & yet they've not even put on an nfl jersey. That said, the Skins can't afford to pay a top 10 pick IMO. But, if they were seriously throwing $21mil to ocho, then maybe a move up is viable, especially in the 10-15 range.
If we could trade our 1st & 3rd w/a team in the 10-15 range & get Chris Williams or Derrick Harvey I think it would be worth it. Or if S. Ellis was there still around picks 8-10. Actually, the Pats would be likely to want to trade out of pick #7.
Overall though, if given the choice I would rather see danny & vinny trade back w/the likes of Atl. & pick up additional 2nd rounders. If they could get 2 2nds for our 1st that would be sweet, or maybe their 2nd & 3rd, that wouldn't be bad.
I think in this draft the dilemna of picking at 21 is the fear that you're paying 1st round $ to 2nd round talent. As P. King said, after the top 10 the draft is a crap shoot, you never can predict it well. This draft has a couple top DTs, a few top OTs & a no. of solid cb's. Any of these guys might be worth moving up for just to make sure (in theory) that your first round pick is of high value. Again, I'd rather see us trade down, but if they don't brake the bank, trading up isn't a bad idea.
SKINSnCANES 04-23-2008, 03:24 PM Clearly I wouldnt suggest trading up to draft McFadden, but why is the idea of trading up being dismissed so quickly?
Trading up could imply going from 21 to 18, to ensure we get a guy that the Eagles are also looking at. It happens all the time.
Maybe since we have two thirds, we trade our pick in the third round to move up higher into the second round.
So I think we take Phillps at 21. Then we trade our second and third to draft Campbell earlier in the second round :)
Schneed10 04-23-2008, 04:20 PM Clearly I wouldnt suggest trading up to draft McFadden, but why is the idea of trading up being dismissed so quickly?
Trading up could imply going from 21 to 18, to ensure we get a guy that the Eagles are also looking at. It happens all the time.
Maybe since we have two thirds, we trade our pick in the third round to move up higher into the second round.
So I think we take Phillps at 21. Then we trade our second and third to draft Campbell earlier in the second round :)
Moving from 21 to 18 would be a very fair and worthwhile discussion. But I was responding to the first post, talking about trading up to get someone like Long or McFadden. That clearly could not be done at 18, it could only be done by going up to the top 10 if not top 5, and is hence ludicrous.
Dirtbag59 04-23-2008, 04:33 PM If we trade up then I would like to see a guy the team take a guy like Chris Long or Sedrick Ellis. Also wouldn't mind seeing the team make a play for Albert or Williams.
skinsWill 04-23-2008, 04:39 PM However, if we were to offer say Portis for the 5th pick to get McFadden, I think I might pull that trigger.
Not to pile on you here but YOU CANT BE SERIOUS?!?!? Trade a young, proven, top tier pro, who is the complete package and essentially the heart and soul of our team for an unproven rookie?? There are only 3/4 players the redskins would trade up for Long/Dorsey/Ellis maybe Albert and to do that we would have to get too high to make it worth while along with the contract they would command.
this thread was doomed from the start....
freddyg12 04-23-2008, 04:42 PM Moving from 21 to 18 would be a very fair and worthwhile discussion. But I was responding to the first post, talking about trading up to get someone like Long or McFadden. That clearly could not be done at 18, it could only be done by going up to the top 10 if not top 5, and is hence ludicrous.
It is ludicrous given our situation, but it's actually probably quite possible for some team to relatively low ball the rams, falcons or chiefs to get one of those picks. I leave out the raiders cause I think Al will want his #4 no matter what.
Given what the falcons have done recently and how they're rebuilding, I would think they'd listen very seriously to offers to get out of the #3 pick. It would all depend on what qb they want in this draft. I know there is the point system to denote value for draft picks, but a lot of teams feel burdened by these top 10 picks that cost so much $. I think a few of them would be willing to settle for less than what the draft pick points dictate.
freddyg12 04-23-2008, 04:46 PM If we trade up then I would like to see a guy the team take a guy like Chris Long or Sedrick Ellis. Also wouldn't mind seeing the team make a play for Albert or Williams.
I feel ya there, especially if any one of these guys falls further than expected. Trading up for Williams seems a very realistic possibility and I think would be a sound move if the staff feels he can be the RT of the near future and LT of the distant future.
That Guy 04-23-2008, 04:53 PM mcfadden is more of a CAN miss RB than reggie bush... he's not half the player peterson is.
if we trade up, it has to be for harvey (unless we go way up for golston or long or a DT). McFadden is the last person i'd even consider trading up for. we have no need, he's not a very safe pick, and he'd cost a ton to get... not to mention having two rbs with 20mill+ release fees on one team is beyond stupid. no thanks.
SkinsFanSince91 04-23-2008, 06:03 PM 1) Chris Long
2) Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
3) Derick Harvey
4) Ryan Clady
5) Sedrick Ellis
Slingin Sammy 33 04-23-2008, 06:10 PM 1) Chris Long
2) Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
3) Derick Harvey
4) Ryan Clady
5) Sedrick Ellis
Trade up to # 2 and take Jordy !!!!!!
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