Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

He's 30, not 40. Why do people think he has like one good year left?

I don't believe this story one bit.

I'm all about giving up this years 1st round pick, but no more. Chad is a better WR that we can pick up in the 1st round, and probably 2nd. He has his problems, so we'll just assign Mike Sellers to be his roomate on the road, and tell Mike he'll get twice as many carries if he keeps Chad in line....Problem solved.

If we gave two 1st round picks for Chad Johnson we would complete morons. If Cincy rejected that offer they would be complete morons. Therefore I don't think the details are entirely accurate.

Not to discredit a colleague, but I don't know that's entirely accurate. I'm pretty sure it was the 1st and a player (Betts?) for CJ or the 1st, conditional '09 for CJ and a pick
Yeah I read that we offered this year's 1st round pick, and a 2009 conditional 3rd round pick.

He's 30, not 40. Why do people think he has like one good year left?

Right On SS they are haters

I would love to have a playmaker of CJ ability, but honestly, 1 first rounder is too much for a receiver that is 30 years old. He is not in his "prime" anymore. he may have 1 good/great year. But, to get him if the trade went through we would have to restructure his contract, give him 15-20 million guaranteed and a 6 year deal. It honestly doesn't make a ton of sense to that. If you are going to go after someone like that, then go after a Roy Williams who is younger and may have a couple more years than Chad has. Plus, I thought we wanted a BIG receiver, chad is what 6' maybe 6'1, plus the dude is a head case. I just dont see it meshing well with our locker room. He is twice as bad and Lloyd and no body on the team could stand his stupid ass.

Wide Receivers are not running backs. Elite players do not fall off the face of the planet at 30 so I think this oft repeated argument is bogus. Let's examine.

WR production after 30 -

Jerry Rice:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 12.5
1,000 yard seasons - 8 (including best season - 1,848 yards, 15 tds in 1995 at the age of 32/33)
Jerry Rice (http://www.nfl.com/players/jerryrice/profile?id=RIC128880)

Chris Carter:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 7
1,000 yard seasons - 6 (including 1,274 yards, 9 tds in 2000 at age 34/35)
Cris Carter (http://www.nfl.com/players/criscarter/profile?id=CAR632736)

Art Monk:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 8
1,000 yard seasons - 2 of the 5 he had in his career (including 1,049 yards, 8 tds in 1991 at age 33/34)
Art Monk (http://www.nfl.com/players/artmonk/profile?id=MON230710)

Tim Brown:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 9
1,000 yard seasons - 6 (including 1,344 yards, 6 tds in 1999 at age 33 - last 1,000 yard season came in 2001 at age 35)

Marvin Harrison:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 6 and counting
1,000 yard seasons - 5 and counting (including 1,386 yards, 12 tds in 2006 at age 34)

Terrell Owens:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 4 and counting
1,000 yard season - 3 and counting (would have been 4 if not for getting Keyshawned; included 1,355 yards, 15 tds in 2007 at age 33/34)

Randy Moss:
Seasons played after turning 30 - 1
1,000 yard seasons - 1 (including 1,493 yards, 23 tds in 2007 at age 30)

So let's not bring up the age argument when talking about Chad Johnson. It is a phantom argument with no basis in fact. If we use historical precedent as a guide it is likely more accurate to say Johnson has 5-8 good/great years left and that he is actually in the midst of his 'prime'.

Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!

Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!

Glad no one is overreacting.

We may have offered a first round pick and a lower pick, but don't buy into the the two first round picks. Everyone is blowing smoke with their "team
and league sources". They're all using the media as a negotiating tool.

I'm sure anything beyond the first round pick would have all kinds of conditions attached.

All this pre-draft hype and trade talks is worse than a bunch of dealers
at a used car auction.