Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

We need to get out of the habit of giving away draft picks like they're candy. The New Englands, Indianapolises, Pittsburghs and New York Giants of the world use ALL of their draft picks, groom their own talent and get themselves into situations where EACH of those picks are contributing on the field. The Giants had all of their draft picks playing in their Super Bowl run. We need to quit being star-struck and build from within.They also do a great job filling holes with players whose value is at it's absolute lowest...see a 4th round pick for Moss.

The problem isn't that we are trying to fill a need, it's that we could have offered DJ Hackett a 3 million dollar signing bonus to fill the same need, and instead seem intent on giving up a billion dollars to CJ as well as multiple draft picks to the Bengals.

A second round pick for CJ would be worth 2 years of an elite receiver, IMO. If we hold out the Bengals might drop their asking price to the point where we could get him at that price. According to Mortensen though, we are hell-bent on getting this deal done now, which kinda renders 3 months of patience totally irrelevant.

To win a deal, you have to be willing to risk losing the deal entirely. Snyder and Cerrato will never win a trade until they learn this concept.

We need to get out of the habit of giving away draft picks like they're candy. The New Englands, Indianapolises, Pittsburghs and New York Giants of the world use ALL of their draft picks, groom their own talent and get themselves into situations where EACH of those picks are contributing on the field. The Giants had all of their draft picks playing in their Super Bowl run. We need to quit being star-struck and build from within.

I don't think people realize how many trades the Patriots have made over the years using their draft picks (whether to acquire later picks or veterans). I also don't think people realize that not every player selected by them has panned out.

They also do a great job filling holes with players whose value is at it's absolute lowest...see a 4th round pick for Moss.

The problem isn't that we are trying to fill a need, it's that we could have offered DJ Hackett a 3 million dollar signing bonus to fill the same need, and instead seem intent on giving up a billion dollars to CJ as well as multiple draft picks to the Bengals.

A second round pick for CJ would be worth 2 years of an elite receiver, IMO. If we hold out the Bengals might drop their asking price to the point where we could get him at that price. According to Mortensen though, we are hell-bent on getting this deal done now, which kinda renders 3 months of patience totally irrelevant.

To win a deal, you have to be willing to risk losing the deal entirely. Snyder and Cerrato will never win a trade until they learn this concept.

They're more gung-ho about filling seats and selling shirts. As I said earlier, this organization is run by jackasses.

There's no guarantee Chad will automatically pan out. If the pick is a bust, at least we still have that '09 third-rounder and won't take as bad of a hit on the cap.



I'd LOVE for that to happen!

Well if we're found guilty of tampering, Principal Goodell would take at least 1 draft pick from us.

I don't think people realize how many trades the Patriots have made over the years using their draft picks (whether to acquire later picks or veterans). I also don't think people realize that not every player selected by them has panned out.

Maybe so, but you can't deny what they're doing is working. They have sustained, consistent success since 2000. We have one playoff win.

I don't think people realize how many trades the Patriots have made over the years using their draft picks (whether to acquire later picks or veterans). I also don't think people realize that not every player selected by them has panned out.I think the point is that it really hasn't hurt them at all, because despite having a high payroll, they always have money on hand to do what they need to do to improve.

Chad Jackson may never amount to anything in the NFL, but they picked him well behind his projected slot. There was certainly risk with that pick, but the New England Patriots could afford that risk.

The Redskins, on the other hand, I think that same pick would have been a disastrous selection, because we would have played Chad Jackson anyway because we drafted him, and he might have hurt the offense in the long run.

I am impressed by the way the Redskins throughly work through the draft, but again, this is not a team that can afford to make the high risk picks because they need a contribution from every player they draft to stay competitive.

So far so good, but again, what kind of message are you sending when you say "3 million dollars guaranteed and no picks is too much for an up and coming DJ Hackett, but 20 million dollars guarenteed plus a first and third rounder is a good deal for an over-the-hill CJ." I mean, where is the consistency in player evaluation? That's what worries me most, that the team might not understand the value of money.

I think the point is that it really hasn't hurt them at all, because despite having a high payroll, they always have money on hand to do what they need to do to improve.

Chad Jackson may never amount to anything in the NFL, but they picked him well behind his projected slot. There was certainly risk with that pick, but the New England Patriots could afford that risk.

The Redskins, on the other hand, I think that same pick would have been a disastrous selection, because we would have played Chad Jackson anyway because we drafted him, and he might have hurt the offense in the long run.

I am impressed by the way the Redskins throughly work through the draft, but again, this is not a team that can afford to make the high risk picks because they need a contribution from every player they draft to stay competitive.

So far so good, but again, what kind of message are you sending when you say "3 million dollars guaranteed and no picks is too much for an up and coming DJ Hackett, but 20 million dollars guarenteed plus a first and third rounder is a good deal for an over-the-hill CJ." I mean, where is the consistency in player evaluation? That's what worries me most, that the team might not understand the value of money.

It's Danny's year in and year out obsession with making a big splash. DJ Hackett jerseys wouldn't sell, but imagine how many #85 jerseys would fly off the shelf if he signed here? It's sad.

By the way the Patriots only gave up a 4th round pick for Randy Moss.

The Patriots gave up a 4th for a player that gave up on his team and was on his second chance. See he was causing the same sort of problems with the Vikes that CJ is doing and everyone wanted him. Then he goes to the Raiders and is not happy and gives up on them and demands a trade. He essentially was given two chances and screwed them both up. Thats why the Patriots didn't have to pay a lot for Moss. No one thought he would produce as he did. Everyone thought he would be just as misserable there as he was in the two previous teams.

CJ has been with one team. Not to be considered the malcontent that Moss was...or T.O. Hell T.O. was a problem with the 49ers prior to leaving. Then a problem with the Eagles. If I remember correctly everyone wanted him from San Fran, then when he started having problems with the Eagles was his reputation seriously marred.

So....I guess my point is if you guys only want to give up a 4th like the Patriots did then I guess we might as well wait for CJ to cause problems with his next team, which by then more then most of you would be saying forget him....probably me to.

LOL how is CJ over the hill??

I'll take his 90+ catches and 1400 yards if that's over the hill any day.

Apparently the Bengals said the Redskins DID NOT make an offer, and PFT seems to think we're tampering big time:

BENGALS SAY NO OFFER HAS BEEN MADE FOR JOHNSON (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/22/bengals-say-no-offer-has-been-made-for-johnson/)

Posted by Mike Florio on April 22, 2008, 1:28 p.m.
On Tuesday morning, Chris Mortensen of ESPN reported that the Washington Redskins have offered the Cincinnati Bengals (http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#) a first-round pick in 2008 and a conditional pick in 2009 that could escalate to a first-rounder for receiver Chad Johnson.
Bengals coach Marvin Lewis says that it never happened.
“Mike Brown has not received a phone call (http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6737),” Lewis said at a Tuesday press conference.
Lewis also continues to call Johnson’s bluff regarding his intention to retire if not traded. “He’s a man of his word,” Lewis said. “He says he’s not going to play, so don’t play. It’s time to do what you’re going to say you do and we’ll just move forward.”
So what’s going on here? It’s possible that the offer was made, and that the Bengals have opted to deny it in order to avoid the intense pressure that eventually will come from the fan base to spare them the antics of Ocho Psycho by getting real value for him right now and moving on.
Really, what can the Redskins (http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#) do if the Bengals are lying? Call a press conference to say that an offer has been made? (That would be tampering on its face.)
And we continue to be (more) concerned that tampering might be occurring with Johnson. Even if the ‘Skins aren’t directly talking to agent Drew Rosenhaus, the fact that the Washington Post knows that the team is ready to pay Johnson $21 million (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/) in guaranteed money strongly suggests that the team is putting this information out there in the hopes of continuing to stoke the “I want out” fire that has escalated into an inferno.
In our opinion, what the Redskins apparently are doing is 1000 times worse than the conduct that formed the basis for the Bears tampering allegations against the 49ers (http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#). In our opinion, the Bengals should file tampering charges against the Redskins today, if for no reason other than to get the Redskins to back off.

There's been a correction to the story, Lewis has now confirmed that the offer was made.

As for the tampering I don't see anything here. Sounds like PFT trying to stir the pot as usual.