Trade down?

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sandtrapjack
04-22-2008, 11:17 AM
I would love to trade down with Atlanta and grab their 3 second round picks, perhaps our #1 and our compensatory #3 may get us close to a deal like that. I would then target 4 players OT Carl Nicks out of nebraska, RB,KR, Chris Johnson out of east carolina, Jordy nelson out of kansas state, and wait and see which CB falls into the early second round.

I think we have to many needs not to try and acquire more picks, we have plenty of speed already at WR, Nelson brings size, great hands, and an ability to get open, he is a move the sticks kind of WR which is what we need right now a big third down type of WR.

Chris Johnson, I love this guy as a KR, he is ridiculous, he also has great hands out of the backfield and could be used more in the passing game with the short quick hitters that the west coast passing game brings, as well as a high quality backup at RB. He has elusive 4.27 speed, If I am the coach a find a way to get this kid the ball.

Carl Nicks, has a ton of upside at right tackle I feel Jansens better days have past him buy, Nicks will only continue to get better, at 6'5 and 330lbs this kid has a body type to add more bulk without losing any agility at the very least he could be moved inside, these 3 picks along with a CB [possibly Flowers or Jenkins] don't solve all our needs but I believe they go a long way towards that, it also leaves us with a solid 3rd pick, perhaps DT Frank Okam out of texas.

Calais Campbell would be a nice pick early in the second, I think he may slide some just don't know if he would make it into the second rd?

We can address the rest of our needs next draft, or free agency.

Won't work, because there is not enough value in the #21 pick to justify all 3 picks in the second round. There is only enough value there to trade down and get only one or two of those picks.

According to the Draft Value chart, the #21 pick carries a value of 945.
the #35 carries a value of 550, the #38 is 520 and the #49 pick is 410.

Add up the value of the combined second round picks for Atlanta and it comes out to 1480. The #21 overall for the Redskins is valued at 945. No deal, no way.

You could possibly get the #35 and #38 for your #21, because that value of those 2 picks is 930, which is closer to fair value.

But, Atlanta has so many needs I don't see them trading away those 2nd rounders at all.

jsarno
04-22-2008, 11:17 AM
I think there is a lot of value in the later rounds this year. I saw in a mock draft that Sweed was taken in the 3rd round. I expected him to go early 2nd at worst. SO there is talent to be had.

How would you guys react if we traded our 1st, 2nd and two 7th's for DE Chris Long? I'm not expecting this to happen, but a friend of mine said he heard that rumor from someone. There are always rumors, and I don't beleive it at all, but I thought I'd ask and see what you guys thought. I'm 99.99999% sure that wouldn't happen.

SmootSmack
04-22-2008, 11:20 AM
Wouldn't do it. Long alone is not more valuable than say Jackson and Sweed.

Stuck in TX
04-22-2008, 11:24 AM
Wouldn't do it. Long alone is not more valuable than say Jackson and Sweed.

REALLY??! This may be the "local talent love affair" that I have talking, but Chris Long looks really promising. I think he would be an asset to our line and I myself would give up those picks.

sandtrapjack
04-22-2008, 11:28 AM
I think there is a lot of value in the later rounds this year. I saw in a mock draft that Sweed was taken in the 3rd round. I expected him to go early 2nd at worst. SO there is talent to be had.

How would you guys react if we traded our 1st, 2nd and two 7th's for DE Chris Long? I'm not expecting this to happen, but a friend of mine said he heard that rumor from someone. There are always rumors, and I don't beleive it at all, but I thought I'd ask and see what you guys thought. I'm 99.99999% sure that wouldn't happen.

With those 4 picks the highest you could go would be the #11 spot, and I seriously doubt that Chris Long will be there at 11.

Again according to the NFL Draft Value chart, the #21 is worth 945, your second rounder pick is worth 380, the first 7th rounder is only worth 6.2. The last 7th round pick is #35 in the 7th is has zero value. Besides it is a comp pick and teams cannot trade those. So total value of the 3 eligible picks is 1331.2. To get into the top 5 you would need at LEAST 1,675.

So the highest you could go to trade up in the first with the picks you mentioned is around the #11 spot.

jsarno
04-22-2008, 11:41 AM
With those 4 picks the highest you could go would be the #11 spot, and I seriously doubt that Chris Long will be there at 11.

Again according to the NFL Draft Value chart, the #21 is worth 945, your second rounder pick is worth 380, the first 7th rounder is only worth 6.2. The last 7th round pick is #35 in the 7th is has zero value. Besides it is a comp pick and teams cannot trade those. So total value of the 3 eligible picks is 1331.2. To get into the top 5 you would need at LEAST 1,675.

So the highest you could go to trade up in the first with the picks you mentioned is around the #11 spot.

Like I said, I don't beleive the rumor, just posing it to everyone to see what they thought. None of us are GM's so it doesn't really matter what we think.

jsarno
04-22-2008, 11:42 AM
For the record, I think Long is going to be a mega stud. He has the size, the demeanor, and the pedigree. If I were Miami, I'd already have a contract ready for this kid to sign.

GTripp0012
04-22-2008, 11:58 AM
With those 4 picks the highest you could go would be the #11 spot, and I seriously doubt that Chris Long will be there at 11.

Again according to the NFL Draft Value chart, the #21 is worth 945, your second rounder pick is worth 380, the first 7th rounder is only worth 6.2. The last 7th round pick is #35 in the 7th is has zero value. Besides it is a comp pick and teams cannot trade those. So total value of the 3 eligible picks is 1331.2. To get into the top 5 you would need at LEAST 1,675.

So the highest you could go to trade up in the first with the picks you mentioned is around the #11 spot.Well, the draft trade value chart is horribly outdated, and any team that had a top 5 selection and turned down an offer for the 21st pick, a 2nd rounder, and a 7th probably needs to fire everyone involved. Especially since the chances of landing a stud at 21 are close to what they are at 5, and you wont be paying as much. Plus you get two extra picks.

sandtrapjack
04-22-2008, 12:34 PM
Well, the draft trade value chart is horribly outdated, and any team that had a top 5 selection and turned down an offer for the 21st pick, a 2nd rounder, and a 7th probably needs to fire everyone involved. Especially since the chances of landing a stud at 21 are close to what they are at 5, and you wont be paying as much. Plus you get two extra picks.
Not outdated, I use the new draft chart which just came out in 2008.

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