jsarno
04-22-2008, 07:48 PM
JSARNO, I would also like to point out that the numbers are also a bit scewed in favor of Moon. He was in the run and shoot offense. He passed more, therefore throwing for more yards, touchdowns, and intercecptions. When you take that into consideration, then you are talking about essentially the same QB.
But you are forgetting longevity.
I'm not saying a mediocre at best player should get in cause he played 21 seasons...otherwise Vinny Testaverde would get in, and there is no way I'd vote for him. However, in the case of McNair vs Moon, if McNair played 17 seasons, then it might be a tougher argument.
You keep saying the numbers are similar, but what numbers are you referring to?
McNair's career high in passing yards in a season was 3387. Moon threw for more than that 8 times in his career. You say it was cause of the run and shoot, but you need to understand that we are in a pass happy era as well. It used to be people would run to set up the pass, now it's the other way around.
I have no doubt he was a good qb...I always liked his game, but like I said, Moon had different circumstances to overcome that helped boost his HOF ballot. Let's face it, Moon was 28 when he cracked the NFL. That was wrong.
also,
In 17 seasons, Moon averaged 401 attempts a year, and averaged 237 yards per game.
In 13 seasons, McNair averaged 350 attempts a year, and averaged 194 yards per game.
So the 51 fewer attempts per year that McNair threw, that is only an average of 3.19 attempts per game. AT his completion rate of 60.1% over his career, that would mean 1.917 more completions per attempts. At 1.917 X his career 11.5 yards per completion, that equals 22 yards extra per game which means that would bring McNairs average per game to 216. Still 21 yards per game short. So the run and shoot did help Moon, but as you can see, Moon was just flat out better when you break it down.
But you are forgetting longevity.
I'm not saying a mediocre at best player should get in cause he played 21 seasons...otherwise Vinny Testaverde would get in, and there is no way I'd vote for him. However, in the case of McNair vs Moon, if McNair played 17 seasons, then it might be a tougher argument.
You keep saying the numbers are similar, but what numbers are you referring to?
McNair's career high in passing yards in a season was 3387. Moon threw for more than that 8 times in his career. You say it was cause of the run and shoot, but you need to understand that we are in a pass happy era as well. It used to be people would run to set up the pass, now it's the other way around.
I have no doubt he was a good qb...I always liked his game, but like I said, Moon had different circumstances to overcome that helped boost his HOF ballot. Let's face it, Moon was 28 when he cracked the NFL. That was wrong.
also,
In 17 seasons, Moon averaged 401 attempts a year, and averaged 237 yards per game.
In 13 seasons, McNair averaged 350 attempts a year, and averaged 194 yards per game.
So the 51 fewer attempts per year that McNair threw, that is only an average of 3.19 attempts per game. AT his completion rate of 60.1% over his career, that would mean 1.917 more completions per attempts. At 1.917 X his career 11.5 yards per completion, that equals 22 yards extra per game which means that would bring McNairs average per game to 216. Still 21 yards per game short. So the run and shoot did help Moon, but as you can see, Moon was just flat out better when you break it down.