Jerome Mathis signed

On the other hand, how many coaches out there know him better than Zorn? And if he didn't make a huge push for Hackett did we really miss out?

That said, I would have also taken a chance on Hackett for such a relatively small sum.

That's the only thing that makes this non-move not so painful. If Zorn didn't want him that bad, perhaps there's a very good reason why we passed on him.

Yeah when I saw that I was like shoot, couldn't we have given him $1M to sign and maybe $4M to $5M over 2 years?

I would have felt pretty good about our WR situation then and we could have addressed other needs in the draft. Now it seems pretty clear that we'll use a pick on a WR at some point in the draft.

Yeah and I can't say I mind that approach. And in general, the team's fiscal restraint is admirable. But it's almost like we've gone from blindly writing checks to blindly passing on all free agents.

I realize I'm oversimplifying. But passing on Hackett at that price didn't make a lot of sense. Yes he's been hurt some. But to my knowledge, he's not hurt now. He knows the offense. He's a decent size. And he cost as much as Pete Kendall. Pete Kendall, people. For a guy that has put up several 100 yard games, and if he can stay on the field, could put up a 1000 yard season.

Seems we could have 3 solid WR heading into the draft. We would have gotten the perfect #2 option, allowing ARE to move into the slot. Then we could have gone for the offensive and defensive lines in the first three rounds, maybe a S, maybe a CB. We would have been better off.

On the other hand, how many coaches out there know him better than Zorn? And if he didn't make a huge push for Hackett did we really miss out?

That said, I would have also taken a chance on Hackett for such a relatively small sum.

You're right, maybe Zorn knows something. But I can't imagine what that would be given that Hackett recently put up over 100 yards and a TD on our secondary in the playoff game against Seattle last year.

I mean how much can you "know" about a guy? At some point, doesn't performance say everything that needs to be said about a guy? I guess that's my thing, it's one thing if a coach is weighing in about an unproven commodity. But Hackett has taken over games before. As long as he's not a malcontent, then go get him.

Who knows, maybe he was a malcontent in Seattle. And if that's the case, good job in passing on him. Of course, at the same time, WTF are we doing passing on Hackett for being a malcontent and then turning around and signing Mathis? That makes no sense. So if you're not concerned about Mathis being trouble, you couldn't have been concerned about Hackett being trouble. You just flat out dropped the ball and didn't bring him in for a good price.

I realize I'm oversimplifying. But passing on Hackett at that price didn't make a lot of sense. Yes he's been hurt some. But to my knowledge, he's not hurt now. He knows the offense. He's a decent size. And he cost as much as Pete Kendall. Pete Kendall, people. For a guy that has put up several 100 yard games, and if he can stay on the field, could put up a 1000 yard season.

Seems we could have 3 solid WR heading into the draft. We would have gotten the perfect #2 option, allowing ARE to move into the slot. Then we could have gone for the offensive and defensive lines in the first three rounds, maybe a S, maybe a CB. We would have been better off.I agree with you and was a proponent of getting Hackett. After we passed on him, my thoughts were the same as SS's, "Zorn and Seattle must know something". Seattle could've made a push for him too. He has been injured before this year, maybe they don't have faith in him holding up. Maybe they have someone else targeted (June 1 cut / trade). This will be one of the first decisions we can judge Cerrato & Zorn on depending which way it goes.

Again, he's had two run-ins with the law and a fight with a teammate.

We're probably beating a dead horse here, but what 2 run ins are you referring to. Like I said in a previous post, I don't know much about this guy, so any link would be beneficial.

Also, getting in a fight with a teammate is nothing new, and nothing to make a comment about unless he drove to a players house after a practice to beat the poo out of him. Remember Michael Westbrook beating down Stephen Davis? I don't recall Westbrook being of poor character, just poor talent. Vince Young had issue with someone this past year and had a little fight, and a lot here think he's a kiss from heaven. Even Favre in his early days had a scuffle with a teammate and he is known as player friendly. What happens during heated practices / matches doesn't always mean a character flaw.

I will 100% agree beating a girldfriend is a character flaw, but there seems to be so little evidence at this point. I need it pointed out that I am not defending this guy, but I do think you need to PROVE guilt before slurring someone's name. This is not like speculating Barry Bonds took steriods, this is something far more serious. There needs to be proof, and right now, there is a red mark on a neck, and no real proof.

But like I said, I'd like to see a link to his previous run ins with the law if you got them please.

Enough about Hackett already, he has shown up in entirely too many threads for no good reason. It's not like he's a stud or anything, he still has a TON to prove.
Let it go...and let's embrace whoever the Skins draft at WR.

Jerome Mathis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Mathis#Legal_troubles)

link has two run ins with the law (beating and dog issue) but doesn't have the fight Js

I guess ignorance is bliss. Oh well, here are the facts on Jerome Mathis.

Texans Returner Jerome Mathis Charged With Choking Pregnant Girlfriend - FanHouse - AOL Sports Blog (http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/02/19/texans-returner-jerome-mathis-charged-with-choking-pregnant-girl/)


The Facts (http://thefacts.com/story.lasso?ewcd=57646c7b4d35bb9e)


So allegations of his domestic dispute aside, the fact that he got into a fist fight with his own teamate should've been enough to discourage the Redskin's from signing this guy. God, how many times do I have to bring up Jeremy Stevens?

In all honesty, the number of fans looking the other way, just because he was a pro-bowl kick returner worries me.

This was the post I was looking for Js.

I will say this, and I know I already promised OaklandRed that I would give him a second chance, but the fact is if the Cowboy's sign this guy, almost everyone here starts laughing and making fun of the Cowboys. I will admit that I didn't think of that on my own but given our reaction to the Cowboy's going after Pacman, I'd say it's probably a fair assumtion.

This was the post I was looking for Js.

Thanks for the links.
The one thing I noticed above all is that there is no comment from Mathis. If someone accused me of choking her, I'd make a comment. Why is there none? I'd like to hear his side of the story. It definitely doesn't look good.

About the dogs, it just sounds like he was not paying enough attention to them. That could happen to anyone that has outdoor dogs. I don't agree with having outdoor dogs, so I have 2 indoor dogs, but to each his own. It's hard for me to call that a run in with the law since it's a citation. A speeding ticket is a citation too.