Using a high pick on QB.

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Skinny Tee
03-21-2008, 04:03 PM
We have 2 QB's that could start on this team,we don't need another.Here is a list of positions we need:CB,OL,DE,DT,WR,LB,S,P in that order.

I like CB, DE, DE, OG, OL, DL, DL, CB,

I'm really hoping for a CB for the first round pick. I would prefer DE but there probably won't be one good enough to select with the 21st.

Linemen need to be picked with the rest of the draft. They have a better chance of sticking to the roster and paying dividends down the road.

MTK
03-21-2008, 04:19 PM
Had Gibbs stayed I dont think it would be a make or break year but he didnt. These are new coaches that didnt draft JC and IMO that makes a huge difference (much like Gibbs didnt draft PR, I really think it made a difference to Gibbs). JC is not terrible by any means but he is nowhere close to being worth the 3 draft picks the Skins gave up for him 4 years ago. That said I dont think the Skins are in "need a QB" mode yet but by the end of the season we will know.

Looking back now I think it's clear that Ramsey just wasn't starting material. If he could have played I'm not sure it would have mattered much to Gibbs whether he drafted him or not.

GTripp0012
03-21-2008, 05:05 PM
Based on a lot of the same stuff I noticed with Gibbs & Ramsey. Zorn & Co. have talked him up a good bit and stressed that he is the starting QB. IMO, if they gotta stress that they are either trying to convince themselves or us. We wont know for sure until they start playing but this is JC's last chance, if he doesnt do it now he wont be the starter next year.Not a whole lot of drafted QBs can come in their first two years and play above average football.

And yes, Campbell needs to get better to take us to the next level, but history tells us to be optimistic here.

Is it really so bad to have a QB who is giving us a few years of above average football before he fully matures? I understand you want the results as soon as possible, so do the rest of us, but he's been good so far, why temper the expectations for him?

I definately wouldn't f with his mechanics. Sure the delivery isn't ideal, but it doesn't make nearly enough of a difference to risk making the guy uncomfortable in the pocket.

irish
03-21-2008, 05:09 PM
Looking back now I think it's clear that Ramsey just wasn't starting material. If he could have played I'm not sure it would have mattered much to Gibbs whether he drafted him or not.

Its always easier with 20/20 hindsight. Of course if he could have played Gibbs wouldnt have had a problem but like you said, he couldnt. So far, its not clear that JC is startinig material so like you say, if he shows he can play Zorn will keep him. The problem is its not obvious that JC is starting material.

MTK
03-21-2008, 05:12 PM
Not a whole lot of drafted QBs can come in their first two years and play above average football.

And yes, Campbell needs to get better to take us to the next level, but history tells us to be optimistic here.

Is it really so bad to have a QB who is giving us a few years of above average football before he fully matures? I understand you want the results as soon as possible, so do the rest of us, but he's been good so far, why temper the expectations for him?

I definately wouldn't f with his mechanics. Sure the delivery isn't ideal, but it doesn't make nearly enough of a difference to risk making the guy uncomfortable in the pocket.

I agree, I don't see his mechanics as a major deal anymore. He tightened up his delivery enough to where it's not the issue it once was.

GTripp0012
03-21-2008, 05:12 PM
Its always easier with 20/20 hindsight. Of course if he could have played Gibbs wouldnt have had a problem but like you said, he couldnt. So far, its not clear that JC is startinig material so like you say, if he shows he can play Zorn will keep him. The problem is its not obvious that JC is starting material.I think you mean, its not certain.

It IS pretty obvious, but you CAN make an argument to the contrary.

irish
03-21-2008, 05:14 PM
Not a whole lot of drafted QBs can come in their first two years and play above average football.

And yes, Campbell needs to get better to take us to the next level, but history tells us to be optimistic here.

Is it really so bad to have a QB who is giving us a few years of above average football before he fully matures? I understand you want the results as soon as possible, so do the rest of us, but he's been good so far, why temper the expectations for him?

I definately wouldn't f with his mechanics. Sure the delivery isn't ideal, but it doesn't make nearly enough of a difference to risk making the guy uncomfortable in the pocket.

Above average football? If you think what JC is playing above average, I'd hate to see what you think average is. Also, like I said before, I just dont think many teams give up 3 draft picks for a QB that 3+ years down the line is playing at best, above average football. If JC had been drafted without giving up the 3 picks it wouldnt be nearly so bad but the Skins gave up 3 picks for a QB that may or may not be starting material. Thats just not acceptable.

irish
03-21-2008, 05:17 PM
I think you mean, its not certain.

It IS pretty obvious, but you CAN make an argument to the contrary.

No, I mean its not clear. 2 of the 3 kinds of passes he cant consistently complete (short & mid range). He's been in the league awhile now and still is very inconsistent and inaccurate. I mean there is still doubt if he is starting material.

GTripp0012
03-21-2008, 05:33 PM
Above average football? If you think what JC is playing above average, I'd hate to see what you think average is. Also, like I said before, I just dont think many teams give up 3 draft picks for a QB that 3+ years down the line is playing at best, above average football. If JC had been drafted without giving up the 3 picks it wouldnt be nearly so bad but the Skins gave up 3 picks for a QB that may or may not be starting material. Thats just not acceptable.Here's your definition of average (at least in 2007):

Jon Kitna (http://www.nfl.com/players/jonkitna/profile?id=KIT155733)

And while the picks determine if the Redskins got stiffed on the deal or not, it doesn't change how above/below average Campbell's play is.

Jesse E. Timmons
03-21-2008, 07:25 PM
draft flacco, i think he has got, ive seen him play. big arm, big boy.

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