Kiper reviews DB's

we need kenny phillips.

I dunno about him, he got destroyed by Jordy Nelson, havent you seen that video: YouTube - Jordy Nelson destroys Aqib Talib (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ek0ANQ8bRfo)

This is so overhyped. He got beat once by one of the best receivers in college football. So what? He was a shut down corner for Kansas all year. Everyone blows a play every once and a while.

This is so overhyped. He got beat once by one of the best receivers in college football. So what? He was a shut down corner for Kansas all year. Everyone blows a play every once and a while.

yeah, Josh Morgan of VT ran right by him in their bowl game. Although Morgarn dropped the pass, he had him clearly beat.

On the other hand, earlier in the game he picked off a pass on the sidelines & took it to the house. He's a good punt returner too, very swift w/his cuts.

I think part of the reason guys in college ball will get beat deep by lesser recievers is that they think they can gamble more at that level. If the guy has a decent head on his shoulders then he'll mature as a pro & play more disciplined.

In short, you can't expect the game tape of many college players to show a finished product. Talib looks like a very good nfl corner IMO.

I only saw Talib play a little during the VT game before my wife made me turn it (VT alum, can't ever take VT losing). My snap assesment (for the very little it is worth) was that he was not particularly fluid in his hips and might have some trouble turning to run with NFL receivers.

Personally, I'm very enamored with Devin Thomas at this point (as are some others whose opinion I respect - namely Pat Kirwan - and of course a certain cohort on this site). I'm kind of down to looking at Pat Kirwan's mocks because basically all of these things aren't going to be worth the paper they are printed on come late April, but at least you can see the logic and knowledge in Pat's mocks (and you don't have to be an ESPN Insider to see them). He has us taking Calais Campbell in his latest version - which makes a lot of sense in the scenario he sets up since Devin Thomas, Talib, Derrick Harvey, Phillip Merhling, Brandon Albert, DRC, Kenny Phillips, and Limas Sweed (who I don't think the Skins would take anyway) are all gone. Malcom Kelly is there, but apparently his knees are becoming a big question and he has him falling out of the first for now (Mark Clayton also had knee issues when he came out of Oklahoma and went in the 20's to Baltimore and the knees haven't been an issue - though injuries were last year). I know Campbell ran a 5.whatever and that has turned a lot of internet guys off, but I'd have to go back and look at the tape. The last guy who I remember running a 5.whatever and dropping hard as a result was Darren Howard and he put in some good years for the Saints.

In any case, I think Kirwan is worth looking at because he has done it in the NFL (unlike Kiper) and is usually pretty thoughtful/knowledgeable when talking NFL stuff.

Mock draft 2.0: Gholston is the new No. 1 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=BB1069595204D999DD709E283BB9894D? id=09000d5d80780515&template=with-video&confirm=true)

I only saw Talib play a little during the VT game before my wife made me turn it (VT alum, can't ever take VT losing). My snap assesment (for the very little it is worth) was that he was not particularly fluid in his hips and might have some trouble turning to run with NFL receivers.

Personally, I'm very enamored with Devin Thomas at this point (as are some others whose opinion I respect - namely Pat Kirwan - and of course a certain cohort on this site). I'm kind of down to looking at Pat Kirwan's mocks because basically all of these things aren't going to be worth the paper they are printed on come late April, but at least you can see the logic and knowledge in Pat's mocks (and you don't have to be an ESPN Insider to see them). He has us taking Calais Campbell in his latest version - which makes a lot of sense in the scenario he sets up since Devin Thomas, Talib, Derrick Harvey, Phillip Merhling, Brandon Albert, DRC, Kenny Phillips, and Limas Sweed (who I don't think the Skins would take anyway) are all gone. Malcom Kelly is there, but apparently his knees are becoming a big question and he has him falling out of the first for now (Mark Clayton also had knee issues when he came out of Oklahoma and went in the 20's to Baltimore and the knees haven't been an issue - though injuries were last year). I know Campbell ran a 5.whatever and that has turned a lot of internet guys off, but I'd have to go back and look at the tape. The last guy who I remember running a 5.whatever and dropping hard as a result was Darren Howard and he put in some good years for the Saints.

In any case, I think Kirwan is worth looking at because he has done it in the NFL (unlike Kiper) and is usually pretty thoughtful/knowledgeable when talking NFL stuff.

Mock draft 2.0: Gholston is the new No. 1 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=BB1069595204D999DD709E283BB9894D? id=09000d5d80780515&template=with-video&confirm=true)

Excellent post SC. Tell your wife & fellow Hokie that I feel her pain. We got outcoached in that game, no doubt about it in my mind.

Interesting take on Talib. I was saying he might 'sit' on routes too much & look for the big pick, but you think he's actually not fluid in his moves out of the back pedal. Might be something that can be corrected in the nfl. I wouldn't be upset if we picked him, but being a Hokie & knowing that his stock has fallen some, I hope Brandon Flowers is there in round 2 & we use our #1 on the best DE,DT or WR. (But if Brandon Albert were there at 21 that'd be too good to pass up)

In any case, I think Kirwan is worth looking at because he has done it in the NFL (unlike Kiper) and is usually pretty thoughtful/knowledgeable when talking NFL stuff.

Mock draft 2.0: Gholston is the new No. 1 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=BB1069595204D999DD709E283BB9894D? id=09000d5d80780515&template=with-video&confirm=true)

I know that Gholston's stock is rising, but I don't think that the Dolphins will draft him with the first pick, and if they really wanted to draft him they could trade down and get him around 7-10ish area.