The Official draft Marcus Monk thread.

Scouts put too much stock into the combine period. The film does not lie. Case and point, Brandon Flowers has been removed from the top of most draft boards due to a not so stellar 40 time. He will still be the best CB drafted this year because he can flat out play better than the rest of those guys.

I love Brandon Flowers, he's a lot better then Cason and Talib in my opinion. He ran a 4.55 which is not great... but I bet he's one of those guys who runs well in pads.

I would take him in the 2nd round in a heartbeat

I love Brandon Flowers, he's a lot better then Cason and Talib in my opinion. He ran a 4.55 which is not great... but I bet he's one of those guys who runs well in pads.

I would take him in the 2nd round in a heartbeat

I concur. I would take him in the top 10 if I had a pick. The only reason he fell out of the top 10 was because of that damn 40 time.

Bench pressing has nothing to do with a guy's ability to play football or beat a guy that's trying to press him. The scouts put too much stock into the bench press.
Overall strength is definitely a significant factor that needs to be considered in evaluating a guy's ability to play and beat press coverage. Especially a bigger guy who is not tremendously fast or quick.

I buy into having a balanced attack. At least one big, physical receiver is a necessary weapon, particularly in the Red Zone. It doesn't matter if we have 4 receivers that run sub-4.5s inside the 20. Their speed is completely negated down there because there is no where to stretch the field.

Maybe you miss understand what i'm saying. I'm not against 'big' receivers.
But, being 'big' is nothing without speed. At any level of football, especially the NFL speed is essential.

Every team wants a big receiver who is also fast but the reality is that there aren't that many.

Inside the 20 vertical speed is most certainly a weapon. The Post, Skinny Post, Post-Corner, Flag, Go, Out and Up, Seam-Go, Slant are some 'speed' routes ran inside the 20)
-In the Seattle game Randle El scored on a Slant from inside the 10, and Hacket scored on a Seam-Go inside the 20

In the Red Zone speed is still an essential factor in gaining separation from the defender to get open. (separation is not just vertical, but horizontal also)

*Also you don't have to pass to score in the Red Zone. If we must throw to a 'big' receiver we can always split Cooley out wide.

I think people forget the majority of productive receivers in the NFL are under 6'2 and they still seem to score inside the 20 and even inside the 10 (oh my!) and on the goalline.

Bengals- T.J. Housh- 6'1 199
Chad Johnson- 6'1 192
Colts- Gonzalez, A - 6'0 193
Harrison, M - 6'0 185
Wayne, R - 6'0 198
Pats- Welker, W - 5'9 185
Steeler-Ward,H - 6'0 205

This list is just some of the AFC teams. Should I continue?

Extra note: those 'West Coast Offense' teams Green Bay, Seattle, Tampa Bay all their receivers are short dudes

I concur. I would take him in the top 10 if I had a pick. The only reason he fell out of the top 10 was because of that damn 40 time.


I wouldn't take him that high... I think Mayock is overating him. I would take him between picks 25-42

And I would not touch Aqib Talib or Antoine Cason with a 10 foot pole in the first.

McKelvin and Rodgers-Cromartie I would grab with the 21st pick if they were availiable

I wouldn't take him that high... I think Mayock is overating him. I would take him between picks 25-42

And I would not touch Aqib Talib or Antoine Cason with a 10 foot pole in the first.

McKelvin and Rodgers-Cromartie I would grab with the 21st pick if they were availiable

Mayock doesn't even have him that high anymore. He dropped him out of the 1st round alltogether. Once again because of the bad 40 time. I think that people are putting too much stock into Cromartie because of his cousin and his 40 time. I wasn't even paying attention to McKelvin.

Mayock doesn't even have him that high anymore. He dropped him out of the 1st round alltogether. Once again because of the bad 40 time. I think that people are putting too much stock into Cromartie because of his cousin and his 40 time. I wasn't even paying attention to McKelvin.


Brandon Flowers is one of my favorite players in the draft... He also measured just 5'9" at the combine but he plays the run better then all the CB's in this draft. He plays with a mean streak an hits people. He also has great hands. He would be a steal in the 2nd round. Our 21st s too high IMO.

I think Mckelvin and Cromartie are going to be great. Both from small schools so competition level is a question... but at the post season Bowls Cromartie dominated so that's not a question anymore. Both are unreal athletes. They may be gone by 21

Brandon Flowers is one of my favorite players in the draft... He also measured just 5'9" at the combine but he plays the run better then all the CB's in this draft. He plays with a mean streak an hits people. He also has great hands. He would be a steal in the 2nd round. Our 21st s too high IMO.

I think Mckelvin and Cromartie are going to be great. Both from small schools so competition level is a question... but at the post season Bowls Cromartie dominated so that's not a question anymore. Both are unreal athletes. They may be gone by 21

What if Flowers ran a 4.4 or better at his pro day, would you take him with 21 then? Personally I want to see us take that Safety from Miami at 21 if he is still there.

What if Flowers ran a 4.4 or better at his pro day, would you take him with 21 then? Personally I want to see us take that Safety from Miami at 21 if he is still there.

Would have to see who else was on the board, I would take James Hardy if he was there before him. I like Kenny Phillips too but Safety is something we can address later, I like Zbikowski from ND in the 4th round

Would have to see who else was on the board, I would take James Hardy if he was there before him. I like Kenny Phillips too but Safety is something we can address later, I like Zbikowski from ND in the 4th round

What about that kid from Boston College at Strong Safety 4th or 5th round?