Now that Favre is officially done, where does he rank all time?

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firstdown
03-05-2008, 02:42 PM
I respect your opinion, and can get on board with Montana and Unitas, but elway???? No. Let's compare:

Keep in Mind, Elway played 16 years for the Broncos and Favre played 16 years for the Packers. Favre did play 2 games for the Falcons, but had only 4 attempts and made 0 completions. So there is no such thing as inflated stats here since the comparison is using the exact same amount of years.

Passer Rating - 85.7% Favre / 79.9% Elway
Championships - 2 Elway / 1 Favre
Records - 100 Favre / 0 Elway j/k :D
Favre threw 145 go ahead tds / Elway threw 103
Elway threw 30 game tying tds / Favre threw 27 tying tds
Favre threw 39 playoff tds / Elway threw 27
Competion % - 61.4% Favre / 56.9% Elway
Seasons 60.0%+ - 11 times Favre / 3 times Elway
Passing Yards - 61,655 Favre / 51,475 Elway
4000+ passing yard seasons - 5 times Favre / 1 time Elway
Passing TDs- 442 Favre / 300 Elway
Total Tds - 455 Favre / 334 Elway (* 1- receiving)
Avg TD per start - 1.80 Favre / 1.44 Elway
Longest TD - 99 yards Favre / 80 yards Elway
Average Passing yards per start - 243.7 Favre / 222.8 Elway
Pro Bowls - 9 Favre / 9 Elway
All Pro - 7 Favre / 5 Elway
MVP's - 3 Favre / 1 Elway

Of course, a lot of these are stat based, but the ONLY argument that can be made for Elway over Favre is more Super Bowls. Everything else, including MVPS goes to Favre. It's a slam dunk that Favre was better.
How about games lost by ints.
It seems that you left ints off that list or maybe they were not included.

jsarno
03-05-2008, 02:51 PM
How about games lost by ints.
It seems that you left ints off that list or maybe they were not included.

Here you go...be sure to check out the TD to INT ratio.

Ints - 226 Elway / 288 Favre
td to int ratio - +154 Favre / +74 Elway

Defensewins
03-05-2008, 02:52 PM
Maybe he did not want tot include them.

jsarno
03-05-2008, 02:57 PM
Maybe he did not want tot include them.

I just did...see above. It's moot though since Favre beats the daylights out of him in td / int ratio.
Over DOUBLE!

Sorry guys, those above stats tell it all. There is just no argument that holds water to have Elway above Favre.

Defensewins
03-05-2008, 03:07 PM
Who really cares how we rank the top 10 QB's of all time?
It is too subjective, nobody is right or wrong.
Looking at stats however is a mistake. You can not compare Qb stats of guys that played prior to the rule changes implemented in the 80's, 90's and 2000's to increase offense. The rule changes changed the game. It is comparing apples and oranges if you look at stats of guys in diffrent eras.
It only works to compare guys from the same era.
Prior to the rule changes, as long as the ball was not in the air any receiver was fair game to get hit and knocked down.
LB's used to level receivers that wondered into their area.
Now you can not even breath on a WR after 3 to 5 yards.
Not to mention the the dresses the NFL has put on the QB with the whole roughing the passer crap. If a DL so much as touches a QB's helmet he is called for a 15 yard personal foul. Bradshaw, Staubach, Starr, Namath, Jurgenson, etc did not benefit form the rule changes.
Plus add the changes to OL holding rules. You can now hold a DL as long as you do it a certain way.
Plus guys like Marino played in pass first offenses. Some great QB played on more balanced offenses.
The one thing that tuned me off about Farve is he first broke the most pass attempts record before he broke most of the other records. If you threw the most passes of any QB you should have the other records.
The other things is the miserable season or two he had just recently.

jsarno
03-05-2008, 03:15 PM
Who really cares how we rank the top 10 QB's of all time?
It is too subjective, nobody is right or wrong.
Looking at stats however is a mistake. You can not compare Qb stats of guys that played prior to the rule changes implemented in the 80's, 90's and 2000's to increase offense. The rule changes changed the game. It is comparing apples and oranges if you look at stats of guys in diffrent eras.
It only works to compare guys from the same era.
Prior to the rule changes, as long as the ball was not in the air any receiver was fair game to get hit and knocked down.
LB's used to level receivers that wondered into their area.
Now you can not even breath on a WR after 3 to 5 yards.
Not to mention the the dresses the NFL has put on the QB with the whole roughing the passer crap. If a DL so much as touches a QB's helmet he is called for a 15 yard personal foul. Bradshaw, Staubach, Starr, Namath, Jurgenson, etc did not benefit form the rule changes.
Plus guys like Marino played in pass first offenses. Some great QB played on more balanced offenses.
The one thing that tuned me off about Farve is he first broke the most pass attempts record before he broke most of the other records. If you threw the most passes of any QB you should have the other records.
The other things is the miserable season or two he had just recently.

That is very true...which makes it tough to rank players like Otto Graham etc. That's why threads like these are fun.
However, in terms of Elway vs Favre...they played around the same time, in fact 7 years were overlapping. So it's quite easy to compare those stats and make a sound judgement.

Defensewins
03-05-2008, 03:22 PM
It is easy to compare, but the judgments are just that..judgments; and the judgments may not always be that sound. It is still a team sport and they ran diffrent play books.
I am not sure who was better. It is not so clear cut.
Stats are not the tell all/end all of who was better.
There were guys like Gayle Sayers and Jim Brown who had relatively short careers but they were incredible. Their stats are not going to be the best because they did not play 12-18 years. Stats do not tell the whole story.

MTK
03-05-2008, 03:24 PM
It is easy to compare, but the judgments are just that..judgments; and the judgments may not always be that sound. It is still a team sport and they ran diffrent play books.
I am not sure who was better. It is not so clear cut.
Stats are not the tell all/end all of who was better.

I tend to agree with you.

The truth is we can nitpick anyone's career to suit our own argument.

But in the end it's still a fun debate to have.

jsarno
03-05-2008, 03:32 PM
It is easy to compare, but the judgments are just that..judgments; and the judgments may not always be that sound. It is still a team sport and they ran diffrent play books.
I am not sure who was better. It is not so clear cut.
Stats are not the tell all/end all of who was better.
There were guys like Gayle Sayers and Jim Brown who had relatively short careers but they were incredible. Their stats are not going to be the best because they did not play 12-18 years. Stats do not tell the whole story.

But I am not comparing someone from yesteryear to someone of today. That leaves too much to interpretation. So in that respect, you are right, and I agree. However, I am comparing 2 guys that played in the same era and played the EXACT same amount of years with the EXACT same teams for their careers. You can't ignore the stats I provided in comparison of the two. I know 1 person PMed me and said they had no idea that Favre did that much better than Elway...for some reason Elway is held in high regard while Favre is thought of as wreckless. Some perceptions are hard to break. No matter what, people will believe what they want to believe, and that's thier choice...more power to you. SOmetimes you can provide concrete proof in black and white and people won't see it...oh well. It's not like this discussion is life or death. LOL.

Longtimefan
03-05-2008, 04:00 PM
Not sure where Favre officially ranks all-time, but these are some things we do know.

Brett Favre: Where he stands in the history.

Passing Attempts: 8,757 (#1 all-time)

Passing Completions: 5,377 (#1 all-time)

Touchdown Passes: 442 (#1 all-time)

Interceptions: 288

Passing Yards: 61,655 (#1 all-time)

Incredible:

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