Now that Favre is officially done, where does he rank all time?

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budw38
03-06-2008, 08:22 AM
You can tell you don't pay attention to the posts, because you would realize that you have spelt defense wrong several times.

So I guess the Skins defense sucked this past year cause we let up 50 some odd points to the Pats right? I guess we should strip the Giants of their SB win cause they let up 45 to the Cowboys, 41 to the Vikings, and 38 to the patriots?
I guess the previous 17 or 18 games for the Broncos mean nothing, but the one game vs the best team they had to face means everything to you. Didn't realize you'd be judged SOLELY on 1 game and not the 18 or so that lead up to it.
That is a crazy statement to say that Elway didn't blow games. Until you prove that statement, I will consider it blind love for Elway. EVERY QB has lost games, and Elway did too.
I already pointed out that Favre threw 145 go ahead tds to Elway's only 103. AND I pointed out that Favre played better in the playoffs. What more do you need? You don't get 42 more go ahead TDs by choking buddy.
You can't ignore EVERYTHING and just point out super bowls (something that is a TEAM issue, not individual). That's the ONLY thing Elway has him in. You can ignore all the stats, MVPs, all pros all you want, but it doesn't make Elway better.
By your logic, Trent Dilfer was better than Dan Marino since Dilfer has a championship, and Marino does not. You seem like a logical poster, so I emplore you to open your mind and see this objectively. I'am not judging either qb based on one game or season . You made the point about Denver having better talent and defense than Green Bay .It is up to you to prove Elway blew big games ? What game did he throw away? Denver always struggled to stop better teams from scoring during the 80's , Cleveland scored 31 in one championship game < would have been 38 without the fumble > . Name one playoff game where Elway threw an Int that cost his team ? Favre , Rams 6 int's , Falcons 3 , Philly the " Punt " and his missing a chance to win the SB vs Denver. The fact that Favre threw for more yards and TD's does not itself make him better than Elway or Manning , Montana ,ect . I agree with you Favre is an awesome , top 5 all time , top ten , HOF Qb. I just see Montana , Elway , Marino and Bradshaw as the guys who " seemed "to always come through in the clutch . As far as Marino , I have already stated I think he is one of the top 3-5 qb's ever , He like Elway had teams that had defense's that got pushed around . I judge these guys by what I watched on the field , not yards , comp % and TD's . You are the guy posting the TD's and yards are everything .
The only difference that I see in Favre and the other HOF's is that I watched Favre throw the critical INT's with the game on the line as I and others have already pointed out . So , you and I don't see eye to eye , I have had fun reading all of the post's . Montana , Elway , Bradshaw , Staubach , Marino , Favre , Manning . I did not see Graham , Unitas , Namath and not enough of Sonny J. . Kosar , J. Hart , K. Anderson , L. Dawsen were all great .

Redskins8588
03-06-2008, 09:27 AM
Not a bad list.
Here is mine:
1- Steve Young
2- Brett Favre
3- Joe Montana
4- Dan Marino
5- Otto Graham
6- Johnny Unitas
7- Roger Staubach
8- Jim Kelly
9- Fran Tarkenton
10- Peyton Manning

I have Peyton Manning 10th cause if he were to retire tomorrow, that's where he'd be in my book...possibly higher. I could easily see Manning as #1 by the time his career is over, and I'm sure Brady would make it too, but if he retired tomorrow he would not be in the top 10.

Me and you have had this discussion before, so I mostly know where you stand, but I do have to ask this question to you. Why, on your list, is Favre higher than Montana? I am just wondering if you are weighing more on stats vs. championships? Or better players for one and not the other (ie. Montana to Rice vs. Favre to Freeman, Driver, Sharp, or whoever...)

MTK
03-06-2008, 09:34 AM
Young and Favre above Montana? Young #1 overall? Yikes.

MTK
03-06-2008, 09:36 AM
i hate when they rate Montana as number one all time. He played in the best system and had the best cast around him. Same as Steve Young..Hall of Famer?Yes...Great player?Yes but not number 1

Every great QB had a great cast around them. I think that's a pretty lame argument.

Redskins8588
03-06-2008, 09:46 AM
Young and Favre above Montana? Young #1 overall? Yikes.

I agree with you on the Young #1 overall, but me and jsarno already had that discussion and we pretty much agreed to disagree...

Redskins8588
03-06-2008, 09:49 AM
i hate when they rate Montana as number one all time. He played in the best system and had the best cast around him. Same as Steve Young..Hall of Famer?Yes...Great player?Yes but not number 1

That's the thing with a great QB, if they are truely great they make everyone around them appear better than they are. One exception to this in my opinion is Jerry Rice, where he made other QB's look better than they were I am sure that there are other exceptions...

Defensewins
03-06-2008, 11:39 AM
IMO rankings eventually becomes a popularity contest. I like Farve, HOF'er yes, Top 10 of all time yes, excellent QB yes. Greatest of all time NO, not even close.
He is great human being, he is a fairly humble guy, from a small Louisana town; fisherman, father died before a game, wife beat cancer. All great stories!
The reason I do not rate him top 5 is because of 2005 (4-12) season 20TD to 29 Int.
2006 was not that great either.
He failed to maintain at least an average level of play while the rest of his team sucked. He was prone to turnover and mistakes, getting impatient and forcing the ball into double and triple coverage. That is not a sign of the GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME as some of you are describing him. He even personally blew in the Giants NFC Championship game this year by AGAIN forcing it to a covered player. His impatience is a weakness the greatest of all time QB should not have. Which why he only owns one SB ring. Keep in mind his worst season did not come early in his career due to inexperience. It came in his prime.
He is an awesome QB and person, but his amzing stats are largely due to the fact he played more games at QB than any other player. He threw more passes than anyone else. That does not make him the greatest.

celts32
03-06-2008, 11:44 AM
He's anywhere from 10-12 I would say. He was a little to careless with the football to rank any higher on the list of all timers though IMO...great talent though

Defensewins
03-06-2008, 12:23 PM
IMO MY Top 10:

1) Sammy Baugh Best athlete to ever play the position. Singlehandedly revolutionized the position - playing OFF/DEF/ST, and was better than his contemporaries as a qb by a degree that is historically unmatched.

2) Joe Montana- Great field leader. Smart guy. Knew where to throw the ball. Very well schooled player.

3) Bart Starr - Same as Montana

4) Johnny Unitas - say no more

5)Terry Bradshaw - first 4 SB winner at QB. Brought his team from behind in both SB's vs two very very strong Dallas teams. His throws to Swann and Stallworth in the big game were incredible. I do not care about stats or that he was on a great team. This guy won the big games.

6) Roger Staubach - If it weren't for the Steelers, Staubach would have won several more SB's. Tough guy/great leader/Winner

7) Steve Young statistically a great QB. Overlooked: rushed for over 5000 yards, averaged 6 yards carry and scored 52 rushing TD.s and still a great throwing QB. Five seasons of over 100 Qb rating and five season at or near near 70% completion percentage. Insane numbers and a SB winner!

8) Tom Brady - Youngest 3 Sb winner. 7th round pick. Not expected to make the NFL.

9) Brett Farve - Longest career, one SB.

10) John Elway - Great athlete.

11) Peyton Manning - Incredible QB. Story still being written, will move way up before career is over.

12) Dan Marino
13) Dan Fouts
13) Otto Grahm
15) Sonny Jurgensen

MTK
03-06-2008, 12:27 PM
Marino #12? Wow.

I think he was the best pure passer to have played the game. If he had a RB and some defenses he could have won a couple of Super Bowls. He never had very much help outside of Duper and Clayton in the earlier years.

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