Now that Favre is officially done, where does he rank all time?

I have to go Favre over Elway, the teams Elway was on were much better than Favre's. I can name a heck of a lot of really good RBs and WRs on those Broncos teams but I can't name hardy anyone really good like that for Green Bay. Quick name a pro bowl Packers RB in the last 15 years.

I also think when you talk about Favre it isn't just about the performance on the field. The guy is well loved by millions of fans who aren't Packer fans. The fact that he plays for a scrappy small market team, with history like none other only adds to the reverence fans have for him. The fact he came from a college no one ever heard of and he was nearly doomed to be a career backup. I loved the boyish way he had FUN playing the game , the gunslinger way he played it, and the fact he started over 250 straight games in some of the hardest playing conditions in the NFL. The guys has a "Joe Everyman" quality like no other sports star I can think of.

Statistically speaking or in terms of SB wins Favre may not be in the top ten but he'll always my favorite QB. (well non Redskin QB at least).
You don't think S. Sharpe was any good ? Freeman / Brooks / Churma and Levens ?

My Top QB list comes from my era of watching football up to this point:

Elite QBs of the 80's/90's:

1. Joe Montana
2. Dan Marino
3. Steve Young
4. Bret Favre
5. John Elway
6. Troy Akiman
7. Jim Kelly
8. Phil Simms

Very Good QBs of the 80's that are probably a class just below great:

1. Bernie Kosar
2. Warren Moon
3. Randall Cunningham
4. Joe Theismann
5. Dave Krieg

i hate when they rate Montana as number one all time. He played in the best system and had the best cast around him. Same as Steve Young..Hall of Famer?Yes...Great player?Yes but not number 1

Yeah, well, "can't win the big one" is and has always been a misconception on the part of the guy making the assertion. There are a few buzz words in sports that when you hear them, an association is instantly made that the speaker is probably unknoledgable. "Choker" is probably the first and most telling one, but there are others.

I think it's great that pretty much all athletes that have donned the "choker" label have won a championship in their respective sports, and that people still value the concept. I think you missed my point . To much emphasis on stats or winning alone . In order to have great stats as a qb , you need coaching , OL , RD's , OL and a stout defence helps . Teams win championships , not the QB . The game is played to win , not who throws the prettiest pass or has the highest comp. % . Grossman hit close to 70% of his passes , Pennigton , Culpepper has put up some very impressive #'s . I know I watched Montana , Elway and Marino pull out near impossible wins more than the others , I do not remember seeing either of them lose a big game , that is what I see as the most important stat .

Elway played in five super bowls and won two of them. The three super bowls they lost the only reason they got there was because of Elway, because they really weren't that good of a team.

Look at Elway in his prime while he was winning super bowls, vs. Favre during the same time in his prime. Elway won two MVPs.

Favre is not in the top 10 in my book.

Please see my other posts sir.
1- Elway has 1 MVP (not two), Favre has 3.
2- Other than the super bowls (which is an indicator of a good team, and I already pointed out that Elway had very good defenses during his tenure) Favre beats him in every thing, including all pro's.

i hate when they rate Montana as number one all time. He played in the best system and had the best cast around him. Same as Steve Young..Hall of Famer?Yes...Great player?Yes but not number 1 I can't stand the 9ers either , but Montana was not a system qb , That man took a beating many times and hit guys dead on the money < see comeback vs Philly '88 or 89 > ? He was as good as it gets with the game on the line . 49ers still suck of course

Please see my other posts sir.
1- Elway has 1 MVP (not two), Favre has 3.
2- Other than the super bowls (which is an indicator of a good team, and I already pointed out that Elway had very good defenses during his tenure) Favre beats him in every thing, including all pro's.
A defence that gives up 39 , 42 and 55 points in the Super Bowl is " very good " ? What would you consider bad , 72 pts per game ? Favre didn't have a defence , R. White , Jones , Joyner Koonce , ,newsome , Anderson . What about the OL that Elway played behind his first 6/7 years , he ran for his life ,,, like our qb's did under Spurrier . As great as they both were , Elway did not blow big games , Favre did a couple of times . Elway got to 5 SB's Favre 2 . Favre had a chance to win the game against Denver and threw a low pass behind his TE.GB was a 13 pt favorite going into that game , GB had more talent than Denver .I would bet most CB's hated to face either one . If you go by stats / passer ratings Bulger,Culpepper and Pennington are 5 - 7 all time . Stats only tell a little bit of the story . I know you put up some nice stats , take a minute to look at the # Elway put up Under Shannahan compared to his early years . Favre's # are not as impressive after Holmgren left . MVP/Pro Bowls are votes , football is not skating , winning is what counts , no points for looking pretty .

A defence that gives up 39 , 42 and 55 points in the Super Bowl is " very good " ? What would you consider bad , 72 pts per game ? Favre didn't have a defence , R. White , Jones , Joyner Koonce , ,newsome , Anderson . What about the OL that Elway played behind his first 6/7 years , he ran for his life ,,, life our qb's did under Spurrier . As great as they both were , Elway did not blow big games , Favre did a couple of times . Elway got to 5 SB's Favre 2 . Favre had a chance to win the game against Denver and threw a low pass behind his TE.GB was a 13 pt favorite going into that game , GB had more talent than Denver .I would bet most CB's hated to face either one . If you go by stats / passer ratings Bulger,Culpepper and Pennington are 5 - 7 all time . Stats only tell a little bit of the story . I know you put up some nice stats , take a minute to look at the # Elway put up Under Shannahan compared to his early years . Favre's # are not as impressive after Holmgren left . MVP/Pro Bowls are votes , football is not skating , winning is what counts , no points for looking pretty .

You can tell you don't pay attention to the posts, because you would realize that you have spelt defense wrong several times.

So I guess the Skins defense sucked this past year cause we let up 50 some odd points to the Pats right? I guess we should strip the Giants of their SB win cause they let up 45 to the Cowboys, 41 to the Vikings, and 38 to the patriots?
I guess the previous 17 or 18 games for the Broncos mean nothing, but the one game vs the best team they had to face means everything to you. Didn't realize you'd be judged SOLELY on 1 game and not the 18 or so that lead up to it.
That is a crazy statement to say that Elway didn't blow games. Until you prove that statement, I will consider it blind love for Elway. EVERY QB has lost games, and Elway did too.
I already pointed out that Favre threw 145 go ahead tds to Elway's only 103. AND I pointed out that Favre played better in the playoffs. What more do you need? You don't get 42 more go ahead TDs by choking buddy.
You can't ignore EVERYTHING and just point out super bowls (something that is a TEAM issue, not individual). That's the ONLY thing Elway has him in. You can ignore all the stats, MVPs, all pros all you want, but it doesn't make Elway better.
By your logic, Trent Dilfer was better than Dan Marino since Dilfer has a championship, and Marino does not. You seem like a logical poster, so I emplore you to open your mind and see this objectively.

Favre had no one around him hardly ever, and was one of the most fun QB's to watch regardless of if he was winning. As far as talent goes, I have never seen the tenacity, toughness, and raw talent in any other QB. I say #1 has to go to Montana, #2 Unitas, and #3 Favre, with Marino coming in at a very very very close 4. Elway is somewhere in the top 10, but IMO is overrated to certain degree. I hope Favre does not really retire. I know its "official" and all but I have a feeling he may be back before September...

Favre had no one around him hardly ever, and was one of the most fun QB's to watch regardless of if he was winning. As far as talen goes, I have never seen the tenacity, toughness, and raw talent in any other QB. I say #1 has to go to Montana, #2 Unitas, and #3 Favre, with Marino coming in at a very very very close 4. Elway is somewhere in the top 10, but IMO is overrated to certain degree. I hope Favre does not really retire. I know its "official" and all but I have a feeling he may be back before September...

I am hoping that too...right now he's spent, but when he sees the team he played with for 16 years taking the field without him, and knowing he can still play, it's going to hurt.
I agree with you, and while that is not my exact top 4, I can understand it completely.
I think Otto Graham needs to be mentioned more in this thread...I think only myself and angry pointed him out. He was by far the best QB of his era and went to the championship game 10 out of 10 seasons and he won 7 of them. He lead the league in passing 5 out of 10 years too. He must have been fun to watch.

You don't think S. Sharpe was any good ? Freeman / Brooks / Churma and Levens ?

Sharpe was very good however he only played 6 or 7 years and only 1 full season(1993) with Favre. Freeman played 10 seasons(7 with Green Bay) for a grand total of 477 rec and 7251 yards. He went to 1 pro bowl. Those aren't great numbers. Brooks played 6 and half (injury) seasons for about 300 rec and 4300 yards. No pro bowls, again not great numbers.

Churma was only a starter for 4 years and was good. Three pro bowls and an average of 40 rec over those years. However I will always remember that jerk for having the stones not show up at a white house visit by saying he wouldn't go because Clinton had no morals, then he got arrested for raping a 17 year old girl. Stay classy Green Bay.

Levens only had 1 good year(1997) before that he was a back up and in 1998 he had that knee injury and was never the same after.

Now compare that to Shannon who might be a first year selection into the hall of fame in 2009. Terrell Davis who might have been in the hall if he just had 1 or 2 more seasons. Rod Smith who was the best undrafted WR in NFL history. Plus the Broncos had a pretty good OL with at least 1 hall of famer.