Portis restructures (Skins about $5M under the cap)

good..now thats a team player.

I disagree. Rock is a return yardage stud and a locker room favorite. Despite not being a regular starter, he is a team leader and career-long Redskin. I think he brings intangibles that are very important to the team. $2M in guarantees isn't unreasonable at all for Rock IMO. Especially if we can give him a smaller base salary this year to still leave room for our draft picks and maybe an additional WR.

I think this locker-room leader stuff is largely crap. We have plenty of "leaders" and I think paying a little more than a guy is worth for his on the field value simply to keep one is dubious. I worry about paying our locker-room leaders who actually contribute something valuable on the field. And I would argue his return abilities are not irreplaceable by any stretch.

I think this locker-room leader stuff is largely crap. We have plenty of "leaders" and I think paying a little more than a guy is worth for his on the field value simply to keep one is dubious. I worry about paying our locker-room leaders who actually contribute something valuable on the field. And I would argue his return abilities are not irreplaceable by any stretch.I agree on the leaders part, but Rock's on field performance is worth more than 2 mil in guarentees.

Not a whole lot more, but 2 million guarenteed over say 3 years would be well below market value for Rock.

The guy consistenly brought the ball out to the 30-40 yd line in kickoffs...I mean he's no Devin Hester, but we an improve offense, this would be huge.

The guy consistenly brought the ball out to the 30-40 yd line in kickoffs...I mean he's no Devin Hester, but we an improve offense, this would be huge.

Good point, I'd say Rock is comprable to a poor mans Brian Mitchell. Lacks elite speed to break away on kick returns unlike Hester, but is more then willing to lay the hammer on opponents that try to take him down. Hence the name Rock.

I agree on the leaders part, but Rock's on field performance is worth more than 2 mil in guarentees.

Not a whole lot more, but 2 million guarenteed over say 3 years would be well below market value for Rock.

Maybe but I am not convinced market value is the correct value for his production. I really do think he could be replaced on kick returns and we'd probably see very little if any difference. He just isn't great. He certainly isn't bad but nothing about his performance has ever led me to believe he does things that aren't rather easily replaced. I tend to think his returns are more a function of solid teams play rather than his ability in general.

I should note that we don't technically have $4.9 million in cap space right now as JLC is suggesting. The $4.9 he's quoting assumes that the savings for Brandon Lloyd has already cleared from the books. This is not the case; savings from him don't clear the books until June 1.

We technically have $2.35 million in cap space right now. A Portis restructure will save at least $3.6 million, bringing us to $5.95 million in room.

Then once Lloyd clears the books on June 1, we'll have $8.35 million in room. So JLC's numbers are on, but his timing is just a little off, that's all.

Our rookie pool will take up no more than $4 million, and will probably be closer to $3.5 as FRPLG noted. The 'Skins are clearly leaving space to re-sign Frost, Fabini (or a guy like him), and Cartwright. On top of those moves, they would still have space for a Bryant Johnson or DJ Hackett.

And while it would be tight, they could forego a Johnson/Hackett move, trade a pick away to reduce the rookie pool, and acquire Chad Johnson. It would be tight, but they could fit that in. Moot point though if the Bengals insist on keeping him.

Maybe but I am not convinced market value is the correct value for his production. I really do think he could be replaced on kick returns and we'd probably see very little if any difference. He just isn't great. He certainly isn't bad but nothing about his performance has ever led me to believe he does things that aren't rather easily replaced. I tend to think his returns are more a function of solid teams play rather than his ability in general.

I tend to agree... I think Betts would be just as effective on kick returns if not more.

I tend to agree... I think Betts would be just as effective on kick returns if not more.

But that 3rd RB, if you let Cartwright go, has to be someone who's excellent on kickoff and punt coverage. Because Rock is. If you let him walk and don't replace him with as good a coverage guy (Marcus Mason is not an answer there) then our kick coverage teams take a hit.

I say throw the guy a bone, he deserves a chunk of change.

He's not going to get the $2 million guaranteed, or whatever it is he wants, on the open market. We can let him sit out there for a bit and then give him $1 million guaranteed and bring back one of our best all-around special teamers.

Betts was good as a kick returner, but if you can have your 3rd RB doing that task just as effectively, it makes you deeper because it keeps your #2 back fresher and healthier. And you need to be deep at RB. Look at the Pack and the Giants last year. Ahmad Bradshaw?

Don't get me wrong I'd rather not see Betts back there, he's more valuable to us as the #2 RB. I would like to see Rock back at the right price.