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jsarno 02-27-2008, 01:09 PM He was an absolute stud at Tennessee, even though he was injured his last year. A lot of you may forget, but he was on the cover of either ESPN the magazine or SI. (I got both at the time and forgot which one he had an entire section dedicated to him). It went on about his amazing work ethic and his physical stature for college. He was built like a linebacker. Since he was drafted, he has not been given the chance to succeed. He could do some serious damage for us. I love the idea! He's a cheap alternative, and as long as we actually throw to him, he'll prove to be valuable.
skinsfan69 02-27-2008, 01:22 PM He was an absolute stud at Tennessee, even though he was injured his last year. A lot of you may forget, but he was on the cover of either ESPN the magazine or SI. (I got both at the time and forgot which one he had an entire section dedicated to him). It went on about his amazing work ethic and his physical stature for college. He was built like a linebacker. Since he was drafted, he has not been given the chance to succeed. He could do some serious damage for us. I love the idea! He's a cheap alternative, and as long as we actually throw to him, he'll prove to be valuable.
Yeah I remember him being a stud at Tenn. But more than any other position, wr's seem to have the toughest time adjusting to the pro game. And for some reason Washington just hasn't been able to get over the hump. But hey, it's worth a look. Bring him in and let him compete. But Hackett knows the offense, he knows the HC, and he produced when healthy last year. I think that potential move makes the most sense.
cpayne5 02-27-2008, 01:29 PM I liked they way he danced! I was really entertained by it!
Haha, yeah, it is pretty goofy. Notice he scored against the Redskins, though. :(
I think that was the game Portis got hurt in during the preseason.
jsarno 02-27-2008, 01:30 PM Yeah I remember him being a stud at Tenn. But more than any other position, wr's seem to have the toughest time adjusting to the pro game. And for some reason Washington just hasn't been able to get over the hump. But hey, it's worth a look. Bring him in and let him compete. But Hackett knows the offense, he knows the HC, and he produced when healthy last year. I think that potential move makes the most sense.
I like Hackett, don't get me wrong, but he has been given every chance to be the man in Seattle and he didn't do it. Unlike Washington who was never given the chance. To me, it's all about opportunity. There are plenty of good wr's that ride the pine their entire career because they were never given the chance to succeed. Washington is in that bunch if you ask me. He runs decent routes, has good hands, and has very good size (6'3"). He also is only 27, will be 28 in August, so he has time to develope into a very good wr.
I won't complain if we get Hackett, I think that will be a decent signing for us, but if you compare the two, who will demand the most money? Of course it's Hackett. I'm just not convinced that Hackett will produce more than Washington if given equal chances.
SC Skins Fan 02-27-2008, 01:39 PM I like Hackett, don't get me wrong, but he has been given every chance to be the man in Seattle and he didn't do it. Unlike Washington who was never given the chance. To me, it's all about opportunity. There are plenty of good wr's that ride the pine their entire career because they were never given the chance to succeed. Washington is in that bunch if you ask me. He runs decent routes, has good hands, and has very good size (6'3"). He also is only 27, will be 28 in August, so he has time to develope into a very good wr.
I won't complain if we get Hackett, I think that will be a decent signing for us, but if you compare the two, who will demand the most money? Of course it's Hackett. I'm just not convinced that Hackett will produce more than Washington if given equal chances.
You make it seem like the guy got buried on depth charts by no fault of his own. I realize the response will be that there were very talented WR corps in those places, but at some point you have to figure that the reason a guy has not been given an opportunity to produce is because he didn't deserve the opportunity. I'll put more weight on the decisions of personel guys in New England and (even) Cincinnatti. How often do you see guys produce nothing and then go to another team to become a star? You can think of a few (Ryan Grant, Ahman Green ... maybe Chester Taylor - and of course some back-up QB's - Hasselbeck, etc.) but typically guys that can produce and have ability get opportunities to do so.
Carnage 02-27-2008, 02:11 PM No no, he might have been, but he played minor league ball for years, and was really pretty old in college, where he played very well. He was 22 year old freshman and when he went to the draft I think he was a 3rd rounder. He does have all the tools and has been on rosters with Chad Lewis and Randy Moss. Maybe he has learned how to play the position.
Wasn't this guy a high pick?
I remember him from a few drafts back.
Kid has ability...my concern is signing another WR with "potential" aka Lloyd.
I'd say he could make a good #3 potentially...so thats the kinda money he should get.
Is it possible for a breakout year...certainly...but thats a gamble we already lost on.
If we are gunna gamble on that...I'd prefer we do it with someone in the draft that hasn't tried and failed yet.
I wouldn't be completely opposed if we gave him a modest deal for depth only.
I still say, if we go WR....we need a true #1...if we go depth...it should be with someone that knows the system or is a possesion receiver.
celts32 02-27-2008, 03:31 PM He has potential to be good but the skins have plenty of pretty good WR's...they need a great one.
dmek25 02-27-2008, 04:44 PM no. if we are looking at a project, lets give Mix every opportunity to be a good nfl receiver. if he cant cut it, then lets go elsewhere
jsarno 02-27-2008, 11:31 PM no. if we are looking at a project, lets give Mix every opportunity to be a good nfl receiver. if he cant cut it, then lets go elsewhere
I love the idea too...just not sure the Skins brass thinks so.
jsarno 02-28-2008, 12:06 AM You make it seem like the guy got buried on depth charts by no fault of his own. I realize the response will be that there were very talented WR corps in those places, but at some point you have to figure that the reason a guy has not been given an opportunity to produce is because he didn't deserve the opportunity. I'll put more weight on the decisions of personel guys in New England and (even) Cincinnatti. How often do you see guys produce nothing and then go to another team to become a star? You can think of a few (Ryan Grant, Ahman Green ... maybe Chester Taylor - and of course some back-up QB's - Hasselbeck, etc.) but typically guys that can produce and have ability get opportunities to do so.
Well, I agree when it comes to other positions, but wr's often do poorly to start due to lack of opportunity, there is a slew of them, here is a sample:
Terrell Owens - 35 - 520 - 4td (10 starts, 16 games)
Santana Moss - (first 2 years combined) 32 - 473 - 4td (1 start, 20 games)
Keenan McCardell - (first 3 years combined) 24 - 424 - 4td (6 starts, 21 games)
Rod Smith - (first 2 years combined) 22 - 389 - 3td (2 starts, 26 games)
Steve Smith - 10 - 154 - 0td (1 start, 15 games)
Jimmy Smith - (first 2 years combined) 22 - 288 - 3td (4 starts, 23 games)
Cris Carter - (first 2 years combined) 44 - 845 - 8td (16 starts, 25 games)
Tim Brown - (first 4 years combined) 98 - 1552 - 13 tds (2 starts, 49 games)
(avg. of 24.5 - 388 - 3.25td a year)
Mark Clayton (dolphins) 6 - 114 - 1td (0 starts, 14 games)
I think you get my point about the amount of people...they all have 1 thing in common, they were not given an opportunity right away, and when they were given the opportunity, they took advantage. Washington has been buried in the depth charts, it's hard to overcome that. If given the chance I'm sure he'll succeed. He has the talent.
ps- Washington went to New England to be one of the top two wr's, he was then buried in the depth charts due to New England's sudden desire for high priced wr's. You say he doesn't deserve the chance, but why? I would agree with you if he was ever given the chance, but he hasn't been. Being buried behind CJ, and Houzyourmomma, then Randy Moss, Welker, and Stallworth is nothing to be upset about.
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