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Dirtbag59 02-24-2008, 10:38 PM yeah, that was pretty well known, and yeah, those are crazy genes. 290lbs pitcher? damn.
Man, I didn't even realize the 290lbs part. But seriously I had no idea that Chris Long was Howie Longs son. However I did just learn that he has three sons, GD!
I was so caught up in the guys that were going to around when we picked that I was barely focused on the guys going in the top 5. In fact the only top 5 guys I've really been paying attention to are Matt Ryan and Jake Long. Ryan because I feel like hes going to be a bust and Long because I have a lot of respect for the guys that play O-line.
Dirtbag59 02-25-2008, 11:12 PM Alright well looks like I'm changing this on a daily basis now. Also looks like this thread is becoming my own personal draft journal, so all you armchair draft experts, get your ass over here and.....DISCUSS!
Anyway two of my favorite draft prospects have fallen this week. UNC's Kentwaan Balmber and Campbell of Miami both had horrible combines.
Per SI.com:
"Calais Campbell, Miami: Campbell's struggles continue, as he capped a mediocre junior season with a poor combine. He measured just over 6-7 1/2 and 290 pounds, yet completed a measly 16 reps on the bench -- worst of any defensive linemen who participated. Campbell then ran his 40s near the 5.1 mark and looked winded at the end of the practice session."
- I know that combine results mean so much and I know its possible that Campbell could be suffering from Kevin Durant Bench Press Syndrome, but still 16 reps? I'll have to double check his wingspan before making a final judgement on that one. Also don't like the very high 40 time or the fact that he looked winded after running the very slow 40 time.
"Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina: Balmer was slow, running times near 5.3 seconds, and looked sluggish during the drills. He was late reacting to the instructions given to him by coaches and struggled changing direction in certain drills."
- Again 40 times mean only so much, but this guy is suppose to be quick. ThatGuy is there anyplace where we can see the combine test posted? I'll have to look around at your other post, I'll probably be able to find something there.
So today, my new mock draft goes as follows
1. Philip Merling - DE - Clemson - Alright well this is a quick edit but the more I look at this guy the more I like him. From what I've heard the guy is solid against the run and decent as an edge rusher. However the kicker is that the guy can line up on third down and play DT in passing situations. Also 17 tackles for loss is a pretty good deal for the 21st pick in the draft.
2. Roy Schueni-ing-er-man-da - G - Oregon State - While I can't spell his name yet I like the fact that hes a mauler. Also like his toughness and his wrestling background. Should help infuse the line with the "POWER OF YOUTH" as well as help get the running game back on track. Either way the time to start rebuilding the O-Line is NOW! Kind of ironic coming from a procrastinator such as myself but never the less. We can't wait until Jansen, Thomas, and Samuals are past the age of 35 to start rebuilding. Just look at the Chiefs and see what happened to them.
3. Dre Moore - DT - Maryland - First off I still consider 3rd rounders as first day picks. Either way Dre Moore got 6 sacks last year from what I'm guessing is the end spot in the 3-4, but as anyone who knows the 3-4 can understand, that spot is not a position where you're expected to get sacks. Also like the local flavor as well as the raw potential. If we can get this guy in the third round then I'll be thrilled.
Other First Round Picks
Brandon Albert - Great Guard that could also play Tackle someday. Plus he's a local kid.
Kenny Phillips - The guy might not be great, but I think he can be productive enough to help make our secondary great. As I've said before, Safety's are more improtant these days then Cornerbacks.
Malcom Kelly - Big WR with the speed and production to back it up. Probably going at #11 to Buffalo.
Quinton Groves - A little smaller then I thought. Originally believed he was a LE but when people start trying you out at 3-4 OLB then you know that the guys either around 250 lbs or hes Shawn Meriman. Either way guy has production and seems to be doing well enough at the combine to warrent 1st round consideration.
Slingin Sammy 33 02-25-2008, 11:27 PM Per SI.com:
"Calais Campbell, Miami: Campbell's struggles continue, as he capped a mediocre junior season with a poor combine. He measured just over 6-7 1/2 and 290 pounds, yet completed a measly 16 reps on the bench -- worst of any defensive linemen who participated. Campbell then ran his 40s near the 5.1 mark and looked winded at the end of the practice session.
I was looking for Campbell's bench # and it kept showing DNP on NFL Network. 16 is awful for DL. I am offically off the Calais Campbell bandwagon. Bring on Merling or the best available CB as our #1.
SkinsFanSince91 02-26-2008, 03:11 AM Alright well looks like I'm changing this on a daily basis now. Also looks like this thread is becoming my own personal draft journal, so all you armchair draft experts, get your ass over here and.....DISCUSS!
Anyway two of my favorite draft prospects have fallen this week. UNC's Kentwaan Balmber and Campbell of Miami both had horrible combines.
Per SI.com:
"Calais Campbell, Miami: Campbell's struggles continue, as he capped a mediocre junior season with a poor combine. He measured just over 6-7 1/2 and 290 pounds, yet completed a measly 16 reps on the bench -- worst of any defensive linemen who participated. Campbell then ran his 40s near the 5.1 mark and looked winded at the end of the practice session."
- I know that combine results mean so much and I know its possible that Campbell could be suffering from Kevin Durant Bench Press Syndrome, but still 16 reps? I'll have to double check his wingspan before making a final judgement on that one. Also don't like the very high 40 time or the fact that he looked winded after running the very slow 40 time.
"Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina: Balmer was slow, running times near 5.3 seconds, and looked sluggish during the drills. He was late reacting to the instructions given to him by coaches and struggled changing direction in certain drills."
- Again 40 times mean only so much, but this guy is suppose to be quick. ThatGuy is there anyplace where we can see the combine test posted? I'll have to look around at your other post, I'll probably be able to find something there.
So today, my new mock draft goes as follows
1. Philip Merling - DE - Clemson - Alright well this is a quick edit but the more I look at this guy the more I like him. From what I've heard the guy is solid against the run and decent as an edge rusher. However the kicker is that the guy can line up on third down and play DT in passing situations. Also 17 tackles for loss is a pretty good deal for the 21st pick in the draft.
2. Roy Schueni-ing-er-man-da - G - Oregon State - While I can't spell his name yet I like the fact that hes a mauler. Also like his toughness and his wrestling background. Should help infuse the line with the "POWER OF YOUTH" as well as help get the running game back on track. Either way the time to start rebuilding the O-Line is NOW! Kind of ironic coming from a procrastinator such as myself but never the less. We can't wait until Jansen, Thomas, and Samuals are past the age of 35 to start rebuilding. Just look at the Chiefs and see what happened to them.
3. Dre Moore - DT - Maryland - First off I still consider 3rd rounders as first day picks. Either way Dre Moore got 6 sacks last year from what I'm guessing is the end spot in the 3-4, but as anyone who knows the 3-4 can understand, that spot is not a position where you're expected to get sacks. Also like the local flavor as well as the raw potential. If we can get this guy in the third round then I'll be thrilled.
Other First Round Picks
Brandon Albert - Great Guard that could also play Tackle someday. Plus he's a local kid.
Kenny Phillips - The guy might not be great, but I think he can be productive enough to help make our secondary great. As I've said before, Safety's are more improtant these days then Cornerbacks.
Malcom Kelly - Big WR with the speed and production to back it up. Probably going at #11 to Buffalo.
Quinton Groves - A little smaller then I thought. Originally believed he was a LE but when people start trying you out at 3-4 OLB then you know that the guys either around 250 lbs or hes Shawn Meriman. Either way guy has production and seems to be doing well enough at the combine to warrent 1st round consideration.
I can see us taking Quentin Groves in the first. He can play DE or OLB.
Merling, I believe, only did 17 reps. Thats not good, especially for someone his size. Same goes for Campbell. I think for the 1st round we need to go for production and athletic ability with our pick. Groves can come off the edge on passing downs and even play OLB for us and be a play maker in the passing game. Having him would come in handy if Rocky's play suffers because of lingering injury issues.
He didn't have a bad combine either. Fastest 40 for a DE 4.57, 10 foot broad jump, and 30 reps. His production at AU was superior despite sharing time earlier on in his career.
Groves' athleticism, explosiveness, strength, and versatility would be a great all around addition for us in the 1st round.
Dirtbag59 02-26-2008, 01:49 PM I can see us taking Quentin Groves in the first. He can play DE or OLB.
Merling, I believe, only did 17 reps. Thats not good, especially for someone his size. Same goes for Campbell. I think for the 1st round we need to go for production and athletic ability with our pick. Groves can come off the edge on passing downs and even play OLB for us and be a play maker in the passing game. Having him would come in handy if Rocky's play suffers because of lingering injury issues.
He didn't have a bad combine either. Fastest 40 for a DE 4.57, 10 foot broad jump, and 30 reps. His production at AU was superior despite sharing time earlier on in his career.
Groves' athleticism, explosiveness, strength, and versatility would be a great all around addition for us in the 1st round.
2008 NFL Scouting Combine Stats: Defensive Line (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/combineDL.html)
Merling's fine, according to Football's Future, Merling put up 23 reps. Which is not great, but not bad either. My favorite part about him right now is he compares to Justin Tuck. Of course the same source compared Calias Campbell to Julius Peppers so I don't know how reliable that is.
However the big selling point for me right now is this.
When you play Madden, what team do you use? Do you put yourself on the team? Don't play Madden.
T.O.Killa 02-26-2008, 04:08 PM Round 1: Calias Campbell DE or Phillip Merling DE
Round 2: Tracy Porter CB Tracy Porter Scouting Report - 2008 NFL Draft Prospect (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/tracyporter.html)
I am editing my picks now that the combine is over. Calais, had a slow 40 and not impressive at all. Merling did not participate, that makes me worry.
Round 1 Derrick Harvey, Limas Sweed, Rodgers-Cromartie, and Quentin Groves(in this order)
Round 2 Tracy Porter, Andre Caldwell, and Heathe Benedict( All depending on what we get in the first).
TheMalcolmConnection 02-26-2008, 04:09 PM Honestly, it's looking more and more like Dorsey could fall to us at #21. Do we take him there?
Dirtbag59 02-26-2008, 04:26 PM Honestly, it's looking more and more like Dorsey could fall to us at #21. Do we take him there?
Thats tempting, and if a player that valuable falls to us at 21, then thats an offer we can't refuse. Unless he's going to miss the next two years due to injury then I'm all for it.
Wait wait, I feel a veteran minimum suggestion coming on.
GTripp0012 02-26-2008, 04:27 PM Honestly, it's looking more and more like Dorsey could fall to us at #21. Do we take him there?Not happening.
redsk1 02-26-2008, 04:36 PM Hey how many of you guys knew that Chris Long was Howie Long's son? OMGWTFBBQ!!!!
Also found this is USA Today
There's a chance there could be two Longs, who go No. 1 in the drafts of their respective sports.
"Long's brother, Kyle, is a 6-7, 290-pound, all-state left-handed pitching prospect who committed to play at Florida State in 2008.
Used primarily as a closer, Kyle Long struck out 67 batters in 32⅓ innings his senior season for St. Anne's-Belfield High School in Charlottesville, Va."
WTF! Does Howie Long have a daughter? Because those are some unbelieveable genes.
I'm not so sure i'd want to mess around w/ HL's daughter. I'm 6', about 195lbs. I'd feel a little inferior eating Thanksgiving dinner at the Longs'.
Them some pretty good genes though.
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