Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??

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MPNRedskins
02-12-2008, 07:46 PM
Let the critics run their mouths, as they usually do. Give the man a chance to prove himself before you burn him at the stakes.

SkinEmAll
02-12-2008, 08:06 PM
This guy from FoxSports is arguably worse. He describes two different coaches the same way, with completely opposite opinions on the two.

FOX Sports on MSN - Adam Schein - Putting wacky coach carousel in perspective (http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7786432/Putting-wacky-coach-carousel-in-perspective)

Yeah I noticed that the other day too when I read it. This article and a bunch of others is what prompted my 'psychics and speculation' post. I really think all these writers do it just for ratings and recognition to make themselves stand out in the pack of jack-offs currently writing sports pieces.

Giantone
02-12-2008, 08:08 PM
I already told you who I think ......and was the worst Giant coach ever..RAY HANLEY ,so in your opinions who was the Redskins worst coach ever?

jsarno
02-12-2008, 08:10 PM
All I have heard is negative comments about the Zorn (HC) signing. It's all over most news outlets, and even ESPN shows like PTI who tried to be positive about it, or at least put a positive spin on it.
A few places have said that the Skins PURPOSELY hired underqualified coaches, knowing they would fail, so they could hire Cowher next year. Not sure where or why they would say that, but I just don't see how these signings are a sign of great things to come for us.

GMScud
02-12-2008, 08:12 PM
I already told you who I think ......and was the worst Giant coach ever..RAY HANLEY ,so in your opinions who was the Redskins worst coach ever?

In recent history it had to be Steve Spurrier. I'd say Richie Petibon, but he was a successful defensive coach in the NFL before failing as a HC. Spurrier was a joke in the pros. And he knew it too.

jsarno
02-12-2008, 08:26 PM
People here are insulting Adam Schein for his unbiased view of what has happened with the Skins, but fact is, it's his opinion. And let's face it, he's not far off. We have all at one time or another said: "WHAT?" Not a single one of us jumped for joy with the signing Zorn, not a single one of us was thrilled with the promotion shortly after the hire, and not a single one of us was happy when he called us the "marroon and yellow". In fact, I thought there was a poll about what we all wanted, and it was overwhelming that we wanted continuity in our coaching. Well, DS missed the memo on that one. Not only did he fire one of the greatest coaches we have had (GW) he replaced him with a no one. Now we're also hiring D3 coaches??? If this doesn't deserve a WTF! comment, then what does?
This guy is right in saying what he is saying...will he be wrong and Zorn will surprise everone??? Damn I hope so, but commenting on it and spinning it as dumb is not only good for his ratings, it's to be expected. DS will have to rely on a shitload of luck for this to work in our favor.
People bet on odds. The odds of Zorn becoming a super bowl caliber coach is slim. DS should know this, but apparently he is too busy looking for YES men like Cerrato. Hey, I'm all for giving guy chances, and I obviously hope Zorn works out. Like sheriff, I will reserve my judgement of Zorn until I see his coaching ability. But it doesn't make the moves any less dumb! Schein is on the money for writing it, and let's hope Zorn makes him eat his words.

jsarno
02-12-2008, 08:36 PM
In recent history it had to be Steve Spurrier. I'd say Richie Petibon, but he was a successful defensive coach in the NFL before failing as a HC. Spurrier was a joke in the pros. And he knew it too.

Ray Handley- .438 (14-18)
Steve Spurrier- .375 (12-20)
Bill McPeak- .313 (21-46-3) (1961-1965)
Mike Nixon- .182 (4-18-2) (1959-1960) *-had a 2-12 record in 65 with Pitt.

I would have gladly took Handley over Spurrier or McPeak, or Nixon.

ps- petitbon wasn't really given the chance. He inherited an old team that needed rebuilding, and no patience was granted to him.

skinsguy
02-12-2008, 08:42 PM
People here are insulting Adam Schein for his unbiased view of what has happened with the Skins, but fact is, it's his opinion. And let's face it, he's not far off. We have all at one time or another said: "WHAT?" Not a single one of us jumped for joy with the signing Zorn, not a single one of us was thrilled with the promotion shortly after the hire, and not a single one of us was happy when he called us the "marroon and yellow". In fact, I thought there was a poll about what we all wanted, and it was overwhelming that we wanted continuity in our coaching. Well, DS missed the memo on that one. Not only did he fire one of the greatest coaches we have had (GW) he replaced him with a no one. Now we're also hiring D3 coaches??? If this doesn't deserve a WTF! comment, then what does?
This guy is right in saying what he is saying...will he be wrong and Zorn will surprise everone??? Damn I hope so, but commenting on it and spinning it as dumb is not only good for his ratings, it's to be expected. DS will have to rely on a shitload of luck for this to work in our favor.
People bet on odds. The odds of Zorn becoming a super bowl caliber coach is slim. DS should know this, but apparently he is too busy looking for YES men like Cerrato. Hey, I'm all for giving guy chances, and I obviously hope Zorn works out. Like sheriff, I will reserve my judgement of Zorn until I see his coaching ability. But it doesn't make the moves any less dumb! Schein is on the money for writing it, and let's hope Zorn makes him eat his words.

Please don't speak for everybody Jsarno, because I for one was very happy with the hiring. In fact, I never once displayed a displeasure for the choice. While I wouldn't have hated the move to get Fassel, this hire has made me very excited.

jsarno
02-12-2008, 08:48 PM
Please don't speak for everybody Jsarno, because I for one was very happy with the hiring. In fact, I never once displayed a displeasure for the choice. While I wouldn't have hated the move to get Fassel, this hire has made me very excited.

Well, I don't beleive you, but I will trust what you're saying. No one even knew Zorn was on the radar. So most of us said "What?"

Why did this signing make you excited? A guy with no experience as a coodinator being our HC making anyone exciting is surprising to me. Please explain.

FRPLG
02-12-2008, 09:02 PM
I'd honestly like to know WTF it matters whether a guy was a coordinator? Anyone have any reasonable explanation of why a HC HAS to have been a coordinator to become a good HC? HC is more about leading and less about game planning since you have an entire staff of people to do it. HCs give direction and lead. So I don't give one little bit of sh*t whether he was an OC and I think those that do don't know what the hell they are talking about.

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