Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??

I'm very optomistic about Zorn. My only fear is that he goes 7-9 or better and Snyder gives him the axe to go after Cowher next year. Now if we are 4-12 or worse, i would agree with such a move, but this team has way too much talent to be less than 5-11, even under a new regime.


Do you honestly believe that Cowher would come here if Snyder did that and would'nt give him total control?

I'm very optomistic about Zorn. My only fear is that he goes 7-9 or better and Snyder gives him the axe to go after Cowher next year. Now if we are 4-12 or worse, i would agree with such a move, but this team has way too much talent to be less than 5-11, even under a new regime.

I loved the Cowher fantasy too but now it's time to come back to reality and realize that Cowher isn't going to come here. Ever. Unless Danny just hands the whole team over to him and after all of this hiring and firing we've done this season setting up a whole new team around WCO just for Zorn... Forget about it.

Do you honestly believe that Cowher would come here if Snyder did that and would'nt give him total control?


I want to be content with getting Cower out of my system all together, because I do not think Snyder would fire Zorn even if he's not wholly successful in his first year.

On the other hand, what would be considered success for this team in 2008? Would anything short of a playoff apearence be considered a failure? I'm more concerned with the fan reaction to Zorn if he struggles some in this his initial season.

I want to be content with getting Cower out of my system all together, because I do not think Snyder would fire Zorn even if he's not wholly successful in his first year.

On the other hand, what would be considered success for this team in 2008? Would anything short of a playoff apearence be considered a failure? I'm more concerned with the fan reaction to Zorn if he struggles some in this his initial season.

Success to me, depending on how much we change the team around would be anything above .500, so I guess that would mean at least a wild card appearance.

I don't know if I could say no playoff appearance = failure but it sure would prove the dissenters right.

I don't get the love for Cowher. Count me as firmly in the "he's overrated bigtime" group. I haven't one clue why everyone thinks he a savior. He was never a personell guy in Pittsburg and definitely has a Marty Schottenheimer feel to him. You that feeling that he really is only like 10-6 type coach who has trouble winning the big ones. He did get a SB but 1 in 12 years really isn't all that great. Don't get me wrong I don't think he is a bad coach but I am not convinced he is as great as many would like to believe.

I think we have playoff potential. If we play well and miss the playoffs I'd be ok. I am more worried about us simply playing poorly. Given good health and solid gameplans I think we are a playoff team. Anything less than solid play wouldn't be success to me.

I don't get the love for Cowher. Count me as firmly in the "he's overrated bigtime" group. I haven't one clue why everyone thinks he a savior. He was never a personell guy in Pittsburg and definitely has a Marty Schottenheimer feel to him. You that feeling that he really is only like 10-6 type coach who has trouble winning the big ones. He did get a SB but 1 in 12 years really isn't all that great. Don't get me wrong I don't think he is a bad coach but I am not convinced he is as great as many would like to believe.

Amen! Cowher is so overrated...he was somehow cleansed by that improbable super bowl run a couple years ago. He had so many high seeds go belly up at home in the playoffs. He is a total Shotenheimer except for that one playoff run. Good coach but nothing special. You listen to the media talk and its like Canton is preparing his bust...

Success to me, depending on how much we change the team around would be anything above .500, so I guess that would mean at least a wild card appearance.

I don't know if I could say no playoff appearance = failure but it sure would prove the dissenters right.


That's one of the problems I envision on the horizon, no playoff apearence and the pessimists will have fuel to raise their voices. The expectations are going to be high [as well they should be] despite the fact we have a new HC with minimal, to no experience in the position. Under normal circumstances one would think that fact alone would warrant a grace period.

However, Zorn has inherited a playoff team in a division with no team playing under 500, that automatically raises the competitive level as well what's expected from the team standpoint.

This guy from FoxSports is arguably worse. He describes two different coaches the same way, with completely opposite opinions on the two.

FOX Sports on MSN - Adam Schein - Putting wacky coach carousel in perspective (http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/7786432/Putting-wacky-coach-carousel-in-perspective)

LOL what a joke

:doh:

Perhaps even worse, he doesn't even understand the Rooney rule and how it applies to hiring from within:

Mora's the man, but were rules violated?

Mike Holmgren announced that he's coming back to Seattle for 2008 but it would be his final season in the great Northwest. Instead of having a farewell tour and lame duck situation surrounding the team, Tim Ruskell and Paul Allen appointed Jim Mora as Holmgren's replacement.


For the record, I love Mora. He's energetic, experienced, and did a great job with the Seattle defensive backs this past season. And if you blamed him for anything that happened during his run in Atlanta, he was certainly exonerated over the last 365 days.


But I am wondering aloud how this appointment affects the Rooney Rule, or at least the spirit of the Rooney Rule. Isn't the Rooney Rule about opportunity for minority candidates? Technically, you don't violate the rule by promoting within from your own staff. But it still doesn't seem right. The Steelers didn't name a successor for Bill Cowher, and that led them down a surprising path to Mike Tomlin, who has turned out to be perfect.


This appointment costs a minority candidate a chance to interview and impress and that is highly unfortunate.A quick google search on "Rooney Rule" shows this:

However, the rule does not apply if an assistant coach has language in his contract guaranteeing him the starting job in case of an opening. [1] (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/01/the_rooney_rule.html) This was the case when Mike Martz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Martz) took over as head coach of the St. Louis Rams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Rams) before the 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000) season.I think this guy owes me for doing his research for him.

I think we have playoff potential. If we play well and miss the playoffs I'd be ok. I am more worried about us simply playing poorly. Given good health and solid gameplans I think we are a playoff team. Anything less than solid play wouldn't be success to me.

How many playoff games did they lose at home over the years? Wasn't it like 3 or 4 in the championship game alone?