celts32
02-12-2008, 02:11 PM
Yea who wants players that catch the ball, throw the ball and defenders who sack the Qb. That stuff is way overated these days.
You need those players but you can't build a team with 53 Pro Bowlers...teams need guys like Rock. Ask Gibbs if Rock is what he would call a "core Redskin". As I said in the post above, maybe some other team will overpay him then I agree we need to move on. My comment was based on thinking that the article was implying that the redskins didn't even want Rock back.
GridIron26
02-12-2008, 02:11 PM
After reading the posts of the wise men here, I admit that I was a little unbalanced in my view of the article. the main reason it bothered me initially was the CJ talk. I hope he's not coming here & if he does, I really hope we don't give up too many picks. Let the bengals shop him w/their high demands.
I see another major problem w/this. IF CJ really expects a new deal but that can't be taken care of before a trade is made, then he'd be unhappy till he gets the $ he wants. I think he's got 3-5 good to great years at least but he's also capable of causing serious problems w/the team. To play devil's advocate on my own position, if we got him for a 3rd round pick & didn't sign him to a new deal (believe he has 3 yrs. remaining), he would be good value if he behaves well.
There was definitely some really good news in the article re: the D. I love that Blache has called his vets & told them he plans to keep them; Springs, Daniels & Griffin. And I love that Blache wants to rebuild his D through the draft. I would like to see Briggs here but not for $20 mil guaranteed, which is about what he'll be after. I now see our draft order being 1) DE & 2) CB.
I was really glad when I saw it in the article too..
celts32
02-12-2008, 02:15 PM
Rock is the one that wants out, he wants to expand his role and run the ball more, that's just not going to happen here.
Do you want them to overpay for a return man?
No of course not...I want them to value the role that he played on the team and offer him a fair deal to remain in that capacity. if he gets an offer that is to high for what he does for us then we wish him well and move on. I thought JLC implied the redskins didn't even want him back.
No of course not...I want them to value the role that he played on the team and offer him a fair deal to remain in that capacity. if he gets an offer that is to high for what he does for us then we wish him well and move on. I thought JLC implied the redskins didn't even want him back.
They don't... not if he really wants a "hefty" contract.
freddyg12
02-12-2008, 02:22 PM
No of course not...I want them to value the role that he played on the team and offer him a fair deal to remain in that capacity. if he gets an offer that is to high for what he does for us then we wish him well and move on. I thought JLC implied the redskins didn't even want him back.
I'd love to see Rock stay, but my guess is that they have no intention of trying to sign him, or at least aren't in any hurry to. From a roster standpoint, I think Rock's value is very limited. He's a great special teamer, better in coverage than he is in the return game. He doesn't have speed or moves to create anything on his own. He's certainly not even a backup caliber rb in the nfl. He would be easy to replace & we can get a better rb on the roster very cheaply.
The only thing we can't replace is his team spirit. He's shown that he's a great team player & it will be sad to see him go if he does. Gibbs' retirement was probably the worst thing for his chances to get re-signed.
wilsowilso
02-12-2008, 02:29 PM
If Rock Cartwright thinks he is getting some big contract and the opportunity to be a featured tailback he is on crack. I will say good luck to him because he has played great for us in the role he was born to play which is special teams in the NFL.
firstdown
02-12-2008, 02:29 PM
You need those players but you can't build a team with 53 Pro Bowlers...teams need guys like Rock. Ask Gibbs if Rock is what he would call a "core Redskin". As I said in the post above, maybe some other team will overpay him then I agree we need to move on. My comment was based on thinking that the article was implying that the redskins didn't even want Rock back.
I'm sure the skins want him back next year its the $ that he may want and maybe he is looking at playing some running back. The only way that happens here is if we get hit by injuries. I just don't like how people bash Snyder and Vinny for things that have not even happened.
celts32
02-12-2008, 02:37 PM
They don't... not if he really wants a "hefty" contract.
He's nuts if he thinks he's getting a hefty deal. He's a backup RB and a special teamer. I like him as a locker room guy...you subtract to many guys like him and all of a sudden any shread of the chemistry this team formed is gone. But his on field play does not warrent a big salary. I really can't see anyone in the league offering him a hefty contract and a chance to start. And if they do I will drive him to the airport.
ksmitty7723
02-12-2008, 02:47 PM
What about Limas Sweed (6'4" 220 4.45) with the 21st?
QBall
02-12-2008, 03:01 PM
After watching Moss fumble, drop passes, and limp his way through last season I've lost most of my faith in him as a #1 WR. He would be much better suited as a #2, and ARE as the #3.
Yeah that's hard to argure with you on your point. I still feel he can be a number 1 wideout when healthy.
I personally love the JLC coverage but he's full of shit sometimes. He always posts the idiot bloggers freaking out and gives them way too much credit. I also don't like how he bad mouthed the coaching search by saying our HC position had been devalued bla bla bla bla.....