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redwagonskins 02-11-2008, 11:08 AM You forgot Billick as a 1st time coach that won a Super Bowl.. Easy mistake though, everyone considers him a loser.
Billick XXXV. The list is complete (i'm too lazy to go any further back) ;)
Dlyne8r 02-11-2008, 12:01 PM Zorn has a good rep and many say great things about him. I truly hope (make that: “pray”) he has years of success running the Redskins. However, JZ, and sadly to an extent now Joe Gibbs, sound like shills for Dan Snyder. When Zorn says “I'm very excited that Dan and all those involved kept the continuity here before the head coach got here…” washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/10/AR2008021002583.html)
It sounds so contrived and I’m sorry, but “continuity” went out the window when Gregg Williams was kicked to the curbside. During the press-conference at Redskins Park yesterday, Gibbs skirted that very issue very well when asked about it from Kelly Johnson of CSN. Spin control at its very best.
The thing that worries me the most is Jason Campbell’s development. Just how many different offensive schemes can one expect him to learn?? And it didn’t sound as if JZ cared very much about that fact as he stated “He's (JC) had all these coordinators in all these different years. Eh, bummer. That's his career…” Wow. If I’m JC, I’m not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about my new HC that allegedly has so much to offer from a QB coach’s standpoint. Like some of you, I’ll wait and see before I cast judgment. But for now, I’m leaning toward expecting the worst, and hoping for the best.
Paintrain 02-11-2008, 12:01 PM Billick XXXV. The list is complete (i'm too lazy to go any further back) ;)
LOL, truth be told, I heard the names on Mike and Mike this morning after they talked to Fassel and I had forgotten Billick myself..
firstdown 02-11-2008, 12:04 PM I guess Fassel has learned that when interviewing for a new job do not throw out names of other coaches who may be a better choice or liked more by the owner.
Zorn has a good rep and many say great things about him. I truly hope (make that: “pray”) he has years of success running the Redskins. However, JZ, and sadly to an extent now Joe Gibbs, sound like shills for Dan Snyder. When Zorn says “I'm very excited that Dan and all those involved kept the continuity here before the head coach got here…” washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines (http://washingtonpost.com)
It sounds so contrived and I’m sorry, but “continuity” went out the window when Gregg Williams was kicked to the curbside. During the press-conference at Redskins Park yesterday, Gibbs skirted that very issue very well when asked about it from Kelly Johnson of CSN. Spin control at its very best.
The thing that worries me the most is Jason Campbell’s development. Just how many different offensive schemes can one expect him to learn?? And it didn’t sound as if JZ cared very much about that fact as he stated “He's (JC) had all these coordinators in all these different years. Eh, bummer. That's his career…” Wow. If I’m JC, I’m not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about my new HC that allegedly has so much to offer from a QB coach’s standpoint. Like some of you, I’ll wait and see before I cast judgment. But for now, I’m leaning toward expecting the worst, and hoping for the best.
I don't agree that continuity was out the window just because GW left. Our current staff is very much intact from last season so there is still a significant amount of continuity carried over.
As for his take on JC, I don't see anything wrong with what he said at all. If anything it's the cold hard truth. What happened in the past isn't his concern and it shouldn't be.
firstdown 02-11-2008, 12:27 PM Zorn has a good rep and many say great things about him. I truly hope (make that: “pray”) he has years of success running the Redskins. However, JZ, and sadly to an extent now Joe Gibbs, sound like shills for Dan Snyder. When Zorn says “I'm very excited that Dan and all those involved kept the continuity here before the head coach got here…” washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines (http://washingtonpost.com)
It sounds so contrived and I’m sorry, but “continuity” went out the window when Gregg Williams was kicked to the curbside. During the press-conference at Redskins Park yesterday, Gibbs skirted that very issue very well when asked about it from Kelly Johnson of CSN. Spin control at its very best.
The thing that worries me the most is Jason Campbell’s development. Just how many different offensive schemes can one expect him to learn?? And it didn’t sound as if JZ cared very much about that fact as he stated “He's (JC) had all these coordinators in all these different years. Eh, bummer. That's his career…” Wow. If I’m JC, I’m not getting a warm fuzzy feeling about my new HC that allegedly has so much to offer from a QB coach’s standpoint. Like some of you, I’ll wait and see before I cast judgment. But for now, I’m leaning toward expecting the worst, and hoping for the best.
Well JC has not shown me enough on the field to make hiring and firing decisions based off of what might or might not be JC best interest. Is he even a franchise QB? People point to the fact that he was hand picked by Gibbs and that Gibbs knows how to find QB's. Well if you look back at history Gibbs found 3 QB's which won SB's behind a very strong team but were any of these francise QB's? I'd say no. I'm not knocking how we won our SB's I'm pointing out that they were not franchise QB's and maybe JC is not either.
Dlyne8r 02-11-2008, 12:40 PM I don't agree that continuity was out the window just because GW left. Our current staff is very much intact from last season so there is still a significant amount of continuity carried over.
As for his take on JC, I don't see anything wrong with what he said at all. If anything it's the cold hard truth. What happened in the past isn't his concern and it shouldn't be.
I would say that "some" of the current staff is intact, and disagree that "...current staff [is] very much intact." Given the latest debacle with Earnest Byner, we may lose yet another coach. I simply can't accept where continuity was kept intact after Joe Gibbs resigned. You, nor anyone else for that matter, will ever be able to convince me otherwise.
I'm not so sure JC needed someone, especially the new HC, to remind him of the "cold hard truth" regarding his multiple offensive coordinators over the years. I thought it was a little flippant and inappropriate to say given that JZ was on a "national" stage.
Dlyne8r 02-11-2008, 12:47 PM Well JC has not shown me enough on the field to make hiring and firing decisions based off of what might or might not be JC best interest. Is he even a franchise QB? People point to the fact that he was hand picked by Gibbs and that Gibbs knows how to find QB's. Well if you look back at history Gibbs found 3 QB's which won SB's behind a very strong team but were any of these francise QB's? I'd say no. I'm not knocking how we won our SB's I'm pointing out that they were not franchise QB's and maybe JC is not either.
You somewhat prove my point. If JG hand picked JC, and JG won 3 SB's w/ 3 different QB's, then isn't it important to futher the development of JC? I would think that this was surely a big consideration when hiring JZ contrary to your comment. But, to potentially go to a WCO would set back a QB like JC as his strength has been the deep ball and not quick timing routes. I don't know fellas, I'll just have to wait and see on this one and hope that JC can adapt.
I would say that "some" of the current staff is intact, and disagree that "...current staff [is] very much intact." Given the latest debacle with Earnest Byner, we may lose yet another coach. I simply can't accept where continuity was kept intact after Joe Gibbs resigned. You, nor anyone else for that matter, will ever be able to convince me otherwise.
I'm not so sure JC needed someone, especially the new HC, to remind him of the "cold hard truth" regarding his multiple offensive coordinators over the years. I thought it was a little flippant and inappropriate to say given that JZ was on a "national" stage.
Sounds like you've already got your mind made up on things, so I guess there's not much use to continuing a discussion.
Longtimefan 02-11-2008, 12:54 PM Well JC has not shown me enough on the field to make hiring and firing decisions based off of what might or might not be JC best interest. Is he even a franchise QB? People point to the fact that he was hand picked by Gibbs and that Gibbs knows how to find QB's. Well if you look back at history Gibbs found 3 QB's which won SB's behind a very strong team but were any of these francise QB's? I'd say no. I'm not knocking how we won our SB's I'm pointing out that they were not franchise QB's and maybe JC is not either.
The Zorn decision while not limited to the development of JC, played a very important part in the decision to hire him. We do not know if Campbell is what's considered a "franchise" QB yet, but he was drafted with the hope of him becoming such in mind.
Joe Theisman ultimately became our FQ when you consider his length of service, despite the fact he was not origionally drafted by the Redskins. Doug Williams was drafted to be a FQ by the TBB, unfortunately, he was unable to spend his entire career with that franchise. Mark Rypien was a late round draft choice, not drafted with the idea of being considered a "Franchise QB" The jury is out on JC, there are unanswered questions, and we wont know until we weigh the results after he has maxed out his potential.
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