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gibbsisgod 02-11-2008, 10:19 AM Well, actually, that isn't his opinion, that is a fact. Second times coaches have been more successful as of late than first time coaches. .I would love for you to name some coaches to back that up because I'll bet I could name a few first timers that were just as successful. I could also name a few retreads that were total failures.
gibbsisgod 02-11-2008, 10:24 AM My take on the interview is that he is being very subtle in his criticism, the subtext being "I gave these guys Zorn's name as my OC when they were saying I would be the HC, and then they stab my in the back." Maybe I'm reading too much into it but that's how it seemed to play.He isn't they only one who had JZ high on their list of OC's.
redwagonskins 02-11-2008, 10:32 AM I would love for you to name some coaches to back that up because I'll bet I could name a few first timers that were just as successful. I could also name a few retreads that were total failures.
SB XLII Winner Tom Coughlin, SB XLI Winner Tony Dungy, SB XXXIX, XXXVIII, XXXVI Winner Bill Belichick, SB XXXVII Winner John Gruden, SB XXXIV Winner Dick Vermeil, SB XXXIII, SB XXXII Winner Mike Shanahan. In fact, during that stretch (since 1997), only Cowher has won as a first time HC and he had been with the Steelers since 1992 and had 13 years in the position before winning in 2005.
redwagonskins 02-11-2008, 10:32 AM He isn't they only one who had JZ high on their list of OC's.
I'm not saying he was, I am saying that is how he is spinning it.
Monkeydad 02-11-2008, 10:35 AM I can't answer yes or no because I don't know.
All I know about him is that he's the man who took Matt Hasselbeck from being a backup to a Pro-Bowler.
That's good. I've seen his short resume and can't make a decision either way.
I heard him speak about the offensive plans (keeping running game and blocking schemes the same whlle bringing in a West Coast-type passsing game) and his respect for our tradition and history.
I can't decide, it's a wait-and-see for me.
Not voting.
SmootSmack 02-11-2008, 10:39 AM He isn't they only one who had JZ high on their list of OC's.
I think we should all just start calling our coach Jay-Z! (maybe Beyonce will accidentally show up at a press conference)
gibbsisgod 02-11-2008, 10:46 AM SB XLII Winner Tim Coughlin, SB XLI Winner Tony Dungy, SB XXXIX, XXXVIII, XXXVI Winner Belichick, SB XXXVII Winner John Gruden, SB XXXIV Winner Dick Vermeil, SB XXXIII, SB XXXII Winner Mike Shanahan. In fact, during that stretch (since 1997), only Cowher has won as a first time HC and he had been with the Steelers since 1992 and had 13 years in the position before winning in 2005.
Well, I know when I have been beat! Gotta say, I didn't put as much thought in to it as you. I can give a few names of first timers that have been succesful but not to that extent (Payton, Mangini, Smith, Reid ,GB coach whose name I cant think of, etc.) None have SB rings but have been playoff teams and in the case of the first two, their first seasons as coaches they took their teams to the playoffs.
redwagonskins 02-11-2008, 10:49 AM Well, I know when I have been beat! Gotta say, I didn't put as much thought in to it as you. I can give a few names of first timers that have been succesful but not to that extent (Payton, Mangini, Smith, Reid ,GB coach whose name I cant think of, etc.) None have SB rings but have been playoff teams and in the case of the first two, their first seasons as coaches they took their teams to the playoffs.
Yeah, I was pretty shocked by this myself when I looked into it. Credit goes to Paintrain for setting me straight on this.
Monkeydad 02-11-2008, 10:53 AM J2P1lvw4840
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Paintrain 02-11-2008, 10:57 AM SB XLII Winner Tom Coughlin, SB XLI Winner Tony Dungy, SB XXXIX, XXXVIII, XXXVI Winner Bill Belichick, SB XXXVII Winner John Gruden, SB XXXIV Winner Dick Vermeil, SB XXXIII, SB XXXII Winner Mike Shanahan. In fact, during that stretch (since 1997), only Cowher has won as a first time HC and he had been with the Steelers since 1992 and had 13 years in the position before winning in 2005.
You forgot Billick as a 1st time coach that won a Super Bowl.. Easy mistake though, everyone considers him a loser.
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