Contract Renegotiations have begun

I think we could do our cap problems a favor and let go jansen, too many injuries.


do you watch the games?? the guy has had two injuries in his career with the redskins. those two injuries happen to be a torn achilies and a broken leg. So, with your logic, if randy thomas gets hurt one more time, then I guess he should go too?? For the life of me I can not understand where Jansen is all of the sudden labled as a "history" of injuries. the guy is a rock on the right side of the line. He has played with some injuries most guys wouldn't even dress for. Broken thumbs, twisted knees, torn calf, come on, you have to pay closer attention to stuff like this.

My question is why are we the only franchise in the league that does this? Consistently, year in and year out, we are over the cap and are able to restructure contracts turning base salaries into bonuses and then writing down the total cap hit. What is the downside? Is it guaranteed money in future years? It seems like the FO has been able to do this for several years yet no other team in the league is either this creative or this stupid. Every year, we are supposedly in salary cap hell but I haven't even felt it get remotely warm around here. So what is the downside?

My question is why are we the only franchise in the league that does this? Consistently, year in and year out, we are over the cap and are able to restructure contracts turning base salaries into bonuses and then writing down the total cap hit. What is the downside? Is it guaranteed money in future years? It seems like the FO has been able to do this for several years yet no other team in the league is either this creative or this stupid. Every year, we are supposedly in salary cap hell but I haven't even felt it get remotely warm around here. So what is the downside?

we're the only team. downside is releases cost more (Coles, lloyd), and if the NFL revenues ever level out, we're straight up f$%^ed. all your doing is pushing money down the road, and making a worse situation for future years... but the NFL revenue (and labor deals) have been pushing up the cap enough each year that it hasn't bitten us yet.

And who would we get to replace him? There aren't many options in free agency and, IMO, we could use our draft picks at other positions. Jansen has certainly lost a step since 2002 or so, but last season made me REALLY appreciate him.

The Seattle game REALLY made we appreciate him. Heyer may or may not be a good player one day. But we need Jansen back ready to roll next year.

do you watch the games?? the guy has had two injuries in his career with the redskins. those two injuries happen to be a torn achilies and a broken leg. So, with your logic, if randy thomas gets hurt one more time, then I guess he should go too?? For the life of me I can not understand where Jansen is all of the sudden labled as a "history" of injuries. the guy is a rock on the right side of the line. He has played with some injuries most guys wouldn't even dress for. Broken thumbs, twisted knees, torn calf, come on, you have to pay closer attention to stuff like this.

Plus cutting Jansen does not make sense from a CAP perspective. I believe Schneed pointed it in other posts correctly in that dealing with the cap will probably mean cutting one guy here or redoing a contract for another guy there every year - a complete gutting of the team is impossible from a cap perspective and would hurt the product on the field.

Now I think most everyone would agree that if anyone is getting cut this season with a expensive contract it is Brandon Llyod and not Jon Jansen.

Here is a breakdown of Llyod vs. Jansen

Llyod - 2 years on team, 25 catches for a whopping total of 379 yards, 0 (yes a big donut there) touchdowns. In his 5 year career he has 130 catches averaging 26 catches a year and 13 touchdowns averaging 2.6 a year. In addition his off field behavior is nothing to write home about.

Jansen - has been with Skins his entire career and started 112 games for the team over 8 years (averaging 14 games a year). He is a locker room leader and well liked by his teammates. He had 2 of his 8 seasons cut short by injury which as an offensive lineman that constantly gets tangled up is not bad in my opinion.

Now I know that it is impossible to compare an offensive lineman to a reciever, but if I am Vinny Cerrato and had to choose between the two I think it is not even close especially with our current depth on the O-Line as thin as it is.

we're the only team. downside is releases cost more (Coles, lloyd), and if the NFL revenues ever level out, we're straight up f$%^ed. all your doing is pushing money down the road, and making a worse situation for future years... but the NFL revenue (and labor deals) have been pushing up the cap enough each year that it hasn't bitten us yet.

Yep, and you also have to have the cash on hand to dole out $10 million in checks in a single day. Just a small issue (though not for DS). Go buy something from the Redskins store to help him pay for it, do your part as a fan/consumer (I'm tapped out after getting my 75th anniversary Campbell Authentic, someone else has got to go help)!

I dont even really see how this team can be twenty million over the cap. If you look at our roster we do not really have many top tier players. Other than Samuels, Portis(may be on the down side of his career), and Cooley we dont have the huge house hold names like Peyton Manning, Brady, Tomlinson etc. We just keep paying decent and mediocre players like they are pro- bowlers. The fact that we have a higher base salary than teams like the Colts, Patriots, Chargers is laughable when you compare wins and losses over the past couple of seasons. In retrospect the Gianst are something like 20 million dollars under the cap and we are twenty over, so we pay our team 40 million dollars more than the team that just won the superbowl.... awesome!

Yep, and you also have to have the cash on hand to dole out $10 million in checks in a single day. Just a small issue (though not for DS). Go buy something from the Redskins store to help him pay for it, do your part as a fan/consumer (I'm tapped out after getting my 75th anniversary Campbell Authentic, someone else has got to go help)!

So you're the problem! J/K ;) (see the "Do Sports Athletes Get Paid 2 Much" thread)

I dont even really see how this team can be twenty million over the cap. If you look at our roster we do not really have many top tier players. Other than Samuels, Portis(may be on the down side of his career), and Cooley we dont have the huge house hold names like Peyton Manning, Brady, Tomlinson etc. We just keep paying decent and mediocre players like they are pro- bowlers. The fact that we have a higher base salary than teams like the Colts, Patriots, Chargers is laughable when you compare wins and losses over the past couple of seasons. In retrospect the Gianst are something like 20 million dollars under the cap and we are twenty over, so we pay our team 40 million dollars more than the team that just won the superbowl.... awesome!

very true & a point that's been made publicly by any no. of media peops, not to mention warpath posters!

I agree w/the capologists here that we won't be in "cap hell" as some like to say, but that doesn't get to the point of how the team acquires & pays players, which seems utterly inefficient w/regards to building a winning team. Last year's offseason was an improvement & I'm hoping for a repeat of that.

very true & a point that's been made publicly by any no. of media peops, not to mention warpath posters!

I agree w/the capologists here that we won't be in "cap hell" as some like to say, but that doesn't get to the point of how the team acquires & pays players, which seems utterly inefficient w/regards to building a winning team. Last year's offseason was an improvement & I'm hoping for a repeat of that.

I agree. Go around the whole offensive roster and you'll see that almost everyone is getting paid big $. There aren't many role players.

Almost the same w/ the D w/ some exceptions like newcomers Doughty, Montgomery, Golston. Yes, that's GW side of the ball too.

What happens when we have to start releasing or cutting some of these high priced players like Springs, Griffin, Daniels, Lloyd, etc. Aren't we going to have to pay the piper at some point? That's what i'm a little worried about.

Can our warpath capologist answer that question?