Spagnuolo is looking good (Defense)

Why are Meeks, Spags, and Mooch all better choices?

Why are Meeks, Spags, and Mooch all better choices?

Mooch because of what I saw here in SF, plus he got screwed during ownership change. Meeks and Spags because they are hungry unproven coaches (fresh faces) and the unknown factor, both are solid coordinators with years experience. Kind of like when Gibbs was hired his first time. I hate to be biased but Fassel has coaching baggage, just my opinion.

Mooch because of what I saw here in SF, plus he got screwed during ownership change. Meeks and Spags because they are hungry unproven coaches (fresh faces) and the unknown factor, both are solid coordinators with years experience. Kind of like when Gibbs was hired his first time. I hate to be biased but Fassel has coaching baggage, just my opinion.

So basically what Fassel has proven is less impressive than what Meeks and Spags might one day possibly prove?

So basically what Fassel has proven is less impressive than what Meeks and Spags might one day possibly prove?

That's the unknown, in my opinion that's the fun of it. Fassel has had coaching chances, it's these new guys turn. What have we got to lose that we haven't already by letting Saunders and Williams go?

That's the unknown, in my opinion that's the fun of it. Fassel has had coaching chances, it's these new guys turn. What have we got to lose that we haven't already by letting Saunders and Williams go?

Fair point I suppose. But what about those who have had coaching chances and suceeded with their second head coaching opportunity? And if people were so adamant about giving Williams the head coaching job, why isn't he considered a "retread"

It's not coaches, it personnel that wins in this league. I don't see anyone getting more out of our defensive personnel than Greg Williams did. Blache will come close. I don't see
any value added in Spaggs. At this point I prefer another offensive mind. I'll take Fossil and get on with it already.

Fair point I suppose. But what about those who have had coaching chances and suceeded with their second head coaching opportunity? And if people were so adamant about giving Williams the head coaching job, why isn't he considered a "retread"

Fair point also. I guess people like Williams since he proved himself with us and his aggressive personality, Fassel's personality is more like Norv, just bland. Belichick was a great DC, same goes for Williams and Spags is starting to show promise, Fassel was a good OC but I wouldn't put him in the class of great. We need someone with fire in their belly.

"Recycled" coaches have had some pretty good success (as I and other have noted earlier) their second time around.

As for the Super Bowl knock, when is the last time we were even in the Super Bowl?

People want to talk about getting crushed by the Ravens but what about what they did to get there? They hammered Daunte Culpepper, Cris Carter, Randy Moss and the rest of the high powered Vikings to the tune of 41-0 in the NFC Championship game.

As for what he's done as a QB coach,

(Phil Simms (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/oconnor/2003-09-20-oconnor_x.htm)): "The things I learned from Jim Fassel late in my career, if I could've known those things in college, I would've been setting records. As far as fundamentally teaching me how to play the position physically, Jim is the best I've ever been around. I took everything he taught me and used it."

(John Elway (http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/release.jsp?release_id=1260))"I thought I was a pretty good quarterback when I got to Stanford. As things turned out, I had a lot to learn. Thankfully, Jim Fassel was there to teach me the techniques that got me to the NFL and carried me through 16 seasons. Little did I know that nearly 15 years later, we’d be reunited with the Broncos."

Fassel was the OC of the Broncos in 1993 where they had the 3rd ranked offense and John Elway threw for over 4,000 yards with 25 TDs and 10 INTs. The only time the HOF'er threw for more than 4,000 yards in a season in his career

His first year as head coach of the Giants he won a division title with Danny Kannel as his QB. Danny Kannel!

Yeah, recycled coaches have done wonders for us haven't they? Gibbs has been the only one with any modicum of success, and he just happened to be a Hall of Famer. As for Simms and Elway, they would've been darn good even if I had coached them. As for Danny Kannel and the boys, some teams just get by with smoke and mirrors sometimes, especially in the free agent era.

List of failed recycled coaches over the last 10 few years (note: these guys didn't even sniff the playoffs in their second go round):

Dennis Green
George Seifert
Steve Mariucci (have no earthly idea why we are considering this bum)
Mike Ditka
Dennis Erickson
Dom Capers
Bruce Coslett

P.S. Jim Fassel is pretty much of the same caliber as these guys listed, which is why he'd be a disastrous choice for a franchise looking to build on some recent, rare momentum.

List of failed recycled coaches over the last 10 few years (note: these guys didn't even sniff the playoffs in their second go round):

Dennis Green
George Seifert
Steve Mariucci (have no earthly idea why we are considering this bum)
Mike Ditka
Dennis Erickson
Dom Capers
Bruce Coslett

P.S. Jim Fassel is pretty much of the same caliber as these guys.

Don't forget Marty, Chris Palmer.

Yeah, recycled coaches have done wonders for us haven't they? Gibbs has been the only one with any modicum of success, and he just happened to be a Hall of Famer. As for Simms and Elway, they would've been darn good even if I had coached them. As for Danny Kannel and the boys, some teams just get by with smoke and mirrors sometimes, especially in the free agent era.

List of failed recycled coaches over the last 10 few years (note: these guys didn't even sniff the playoffs in their second go round):

Dennis Green
George Seifert
Steve Mariucci (have no earthly idea why we are considering this bum)
Mike Ditka
Dennis Erickson
Dom Capers
Bruce Coslett

P.S. Jim Fassel is pretty much of the same caliber as these guys listed, which is why he'd be a disastrous choice for a franchise looking to build on some recent rare momentum.

Fair enough. I think we can agree that plenty of retread coaches have been very successful, and others not so much.