JLC: The Cerrato Era Has Begun

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Sheriff Gonna Getcha
01-29-2008, 04:18 PM
Jason La Canfora's most recent blog entry (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/) notes something significant that had escaped me ... with his recent promotion, Vinny Cerrato's role and responsibilities are now defined. For years people blamed Vinny for just about every bad decision made at Redskins Park (e.g., trading for Brandon Lloyd and TJ Duckett) and gave him no credit for the good decisions (e.g., drafting guys like Sean Taylor and Chris Cooley and signing free agents like Randy Thomas and Shawn Springs), all without knowing what decisions he made or did not make. Now that Vinny is the "decider," we can start to judge him by a body of work instead of whether he is too close with Dan Snyder.

Stacks42
01-29-2008, 04:22 PM
Great! at least now someone is accountable.

GTripp0012
01-29-2008, 04:26 PM
The thing is, whoever the coaching hire is, we will never be able to fairly grade him on wins and losses. That would be terribly unprofessional, given that the players account for nearly all of the formula that goes in to winning and losing. From the passing, to the running to the kicking and returning, to the stopping of the running and passing, players are close to 100% responsible for the outcome.

But now we finally have a guy who is 100% responsible for the players, and indirectly, his legacy will be defined by how many games he wins and loses.

Schneed10
01-29-2008, 04:32 PM
The concerns in JLC's blog entry about the stark differences between west coast QBs and Air Coryell/Gibbs/Saunders QBs are most alarming.

West Coast QBs are known for the quick release and quick feet. Campbell's got a long release. The changing of the guard on offense definitely brings Campbell's future into question. It's way too soon to say Campbell's no longer the franchise QB, but you have to wonder. Will he mesh with the quick-release West Coast offense? Zorn's a great coach, so he's got to have a decent shot at it, but you never know.

I'm also curious to see how guys like Bugel mesh with a west coast offense. These coaches, who are being kept for continuity's sake, have strong beliefs in their offensive philosophies. It remains to be seen how that meshes with the new West Coast approach headed by Zorn. It could be fine as Bugel and company show an ability to adapt, or it could be a complete disaster. Either way, Vinny has to be judged on all of it.

firstdown
01-29-2008, 04:35 PM
The thing is, whoever the coaching hire is, we will never be able to fairly grade him on wins and losses. That would be terribly unprofessional, given that the players account for nearly all of the formula that goes in to winning and losing. From the passing, to the running to the kicking and returning, to the stopping of the running and passing, players are close to 100% responsible for the outcome.

But now we finally have a guy who is 100% responsible for the players, and indirectly, his legacy will be defined by how many games he wins and loses.
Well if the players are 100% responsible for the outcomes why is everyone so up set with the coaching changes and worried about who our next coach is going to be?

GTripp0012
01-29-2008, 04:36 PM
Well if the players are 100% responsible for the outcomes why is everyone so up set with the coaching changes and worried about who our next coach is going to be?Because it's fun :D

I don't know, draw your own conclusions.

GTripp0012
01-29-2008, 04:37 PM
The concerns in JLC's blog entry about the stark differences between west coast QBs and Air Coryell/Gibbs/Saunders QBs are most alarming.

West Coast QBs are known for the quick release and quick feet. Campbell's got a long release. The changing of the guard on offense definitely brings Campbell's future into question. It's way too soon to say Campbell's no longer the franchise QB, but you have to wonder. Will he mesh with the quick-release West Coast offense? Zorn's a great coach, so he's got to have a decent shot at it, but you never know.

I'm also curious to see how guys like Bugel mesh with a west coast offense. These coaches, who are being kept for continuity's sake, have strong beliefs in their offensive philosophies. It remains to be seen how that meshes with the new West Coast approach headed by Zorn. It could be fine as Bugel and company show an ability to adapt, or it could be a complete disaster. Either way, Vinny has to be judged on all of it.Has any Quarterback in the last few years acutally had an issue with adapting to the west coast? It's no longer a gimmick offense, it's designed to hit right at the crux of how ball games are won.

And it should take some much needed stress off the OL in the passing game.

A lot of people are making a big stink about all of these changes, but the fundamentals are still exactly the same. Philosophy changes, but that's not really going to be an issue for the players, unless they overthink it.

Schneed10
01-29-2008, 04:40 PM
The thing is, whoever the coaching hire is, we will never be able to fairly grade him on wins and losses. That would be terribly unprofessional, given that the players account for nearly all of the formula that goes in to winning and losing. From the passing, to the running to the kicking and returning, to the stopping of the running and passing, players are close to 100% responsible for the outcome.

But now we finally have a guy who is 100% responsible for the players, and indirectly, his legacy will be defined by how many games he wins and loses.

GTripp, sometimes you say some things that are really smart. And other times you make about as much sense as kidwell.

Coaches are largely responsible. I kind of get what you're saying, you can only gameplan to the talent you have. But if you don't gameplan and let your talent try to win on autopilot, you get your ass handed to you. There's a compounding effect that takes place when superior talent, superior teaching, and superior gameplanning collide.

You make it sound as if the coach is irrelevant.

Schneed10
01-29-2008, 04:43 PM
Has any Quarterback in the last few years acutally had an issue with adapting to the west coast? It's no longer a gimmick offense, it's designed to hit right at the crux of how ball games are won.

And it should take some much needed stress off the OL in the passing game.

A lot of people are making a big stink about all of these changes, but the fundamentals are still exactly the same. Philosophy changes, but that's not really going to be an issue for the players, unless they overthink it.

I can't think of too many teams who have taken a QB coming from a non-West Coast system and tried to morph him to a West Coast QB. Can you think of any?

I mean Tampa chose Garcia. Holmgren grabbed Hasselbeck from Green Bay. Andy Reid developed McNabb from scratch. I can't think of a West Coast team choosing a non West Coast QB. I think there's got to be a reason for that, they're very different systems emphasizing very different skill sets.

Campbell may just translate well to it with the right coaching. But I think you're way off in saying the system won't be an issue.

SmootSmack
01-29-2008, 04:47 PM
The concerns in JLC's blog entry about the stark differences between west coast QBs and Air Coryell/Gibbs/Saunders QBs are most alarming.

West Coast QBs are known for the quick release and quick feet. Campbell's got a long release. The changing of the guard on offense definitely brings Campbell's future into question. It's way too soon to say Campbell's no longer the franchise QB, but you have to wonder. Will he mesh with the quick-release West Coast offense? Zorn's a great coach, so he's got to have a decent shot at it, but you never know.

I'm also curious to see how guys like Bugel mesh with a west coast offense. These coaches, who are being kept for continuity's sake, have strong beliefs in their offensive philosophies. It remains to be seen how that meshes with the new West Coast approach headed by Zorn. It could be fine as Bugel and company show an ability to adapt, or it could be a complete disaster. Either way, Vinny has to be judged on all of it.

The quick release and accuracy on the intermediate passes is certainly something Campbell will have to work on perfecting. But it also helps in the WCO to have a strong arm like Campbell's. While the WCO doesn't incorporate the deep pass too often, it's the perfect offense for the occasional bomb

What I find most interesting is that, while it's true that QBs in that offense tend to be a bit shorter than Campbell, Zorn worked with Matt Hasselbeck who is roughly the same size as Campbell; so he knows what's he working with here.

I personally love the west coast offense. Not sure why exactly, I think it's the quick passes marching down the field and the potential for a big YAC.

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