Why the hate towards Fassel?

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celts32
01-28-2008, 04:51 PM
Just to play Devils advocate, why is it that none of the other teams that needed a coach or a cordinator interviewed them?

Mabye they did and I didnt hear about it. But from what ive read we are the only ones that want either guy. Does the rest of the league know somethign we dont?

The redskins are the only team looking at retreads these days...the in thing in the league now is hiring young position coaches or coordinators.

birdz4gibbs
01-28-2008, 04:54 PM
i,m with whoever synder picks cause he could careless what i think anyways.
either one aint all that bad to me....

it,s a wait and see ...

celts32
01-28-2008, 04:54 PM
Out of curiousity is 980 a trustworthy source? Over the past few years it feels like people have posted tons of rumors from 980 that seem to be false more times then not.

At the same time I hope that this one is true. Mooch would be perfect for this team.

Could be BS...I was just letting everyone know what they said. 980 just said "sources" said he was a candidate so it's not like the team confirmed anything but they have not confirmed anything in this really.

SmootSmack
01-28-2008, 04:58 PM
Because when we lose after week 3 next year to fall to 2-1 and people want to fire the coach, "Screw the Mooch" sounds better than "Bury the Fossil"

Seriously though, I think it's just that there is a perception (right or wrong) that Mariucci is a nicer guy who can more easily mend fences.

I think they're both good candidates (much better choice than Carroll) and all they really have to do is support Zorn and leave Blache to do his thing.

BaltimoreSkins
01-28-2008, 05:01 PM
My only concern with Fassel is that he has never had back to back winning seasons, while having pretty good teams with the Giants. If he is the new HC I hope he ends that streak in his first two seasons

SmootSmack
01-28-2008, 05:02 PM
Could be BS...I was just letting everyone know what they said. 980 just said "sources" said he was a candidate so it's not like the team confirmed anything but they have not confirmed anything in this really.

Rule #1: Never trust SportsTalk 980 as your only source. The talent and producers there have alienated so many people inside Redskins Park over the past few years that they rarely, if ever, get the scoop on any news. If they say something, always double and triple cross check that it's being mentioned elsewhere.

Rule #2: Trust me :). No but seriously, I know the Redskins did meet with Mooch. But I can't remember where I heard this, when it happened, and what came of it.

Giantone
01-28-2008, 05:30 PM
Just curious why people are so strongly against bringing in Fassel, yet are pro Mariucci. Just wondering what the big difference is? Is it just because Mooch is on TV and is a likable guy?


As of 4:15 NFL Live's John Clayton says that Fassel will be the next head coach of the Skins.

SKINSnCANES
01-28-2008, 05:33 PM
Rule #1: Never trust SportsTalk 980 as your only source. The talent and producers there have alienated so many people inside Redskins Park over the past few years that they rarely, if ever, get the scoop on any news. If they say something, always double and triple cross check that it's being mentioned elsewhere.

Rule #2: Trust me :). No but seriously, I know the Redskins did meet with Mooch. But I can't remember where I heard this, when it happened, and what came of it.


Ill trust you because I firmly believe in my heart that when you said 'screw the mooch' you were thinking of the family guy episode 'screwed the pooch'. and great references like that are what make us 'knowledgeable fans' :)

SKINSnCANES
01-28-2008, 05:36 PM
So, reading through the posts, the answer, Matty, is style over substance. "I just don't like the guy," "he reminds me of my high school teacher," "he reminds me of the Giants (uh, Spagnolo coached for the Giants and Eagles and I don't imagine we'd have the uproar), "he coached the Ravens and the Raven's weren't good on offense" (see note 1). I have not been a big fan of Fassel, but the love for Mooch vis a vis the Fassel hate is simply irrational and based simply upon perception. The real issue, I suspect, is a question of timing or a general lack of information on Mooch. If it goes down as JLC has speculated (and who knows at this point) and the fans generally embrace Mooch then it is only because Snyder is a smarter marketer than we are fans.

Note 1 - Fassel's career as an OC

1993 - Denver - #5 in NFL in total offense
1994 - Denver - #6 in NFL in total offense
1996 - Arizona - #13 in NFL in total offense
2004 - Baltimore - #31 in NFL (275 ypg) (one behind Gibbs led Redskins) who was QB?
2005 - Baltimore - #24 in NFL (293 ypg), who was the QB?
2006 - Baltimore fires Fassel (b/c Billick's job is on the line), gets a half-way decent QB in McNair ... offense skyrockets to ... wait for it ... #17 in NFL (317 ypg)
2007 - Baltimore - McNair hurt (and, admittedly, problems on o-line) Fassel-less offense #22 in NFL (303 ypg)

So if we are going to throw out Mooch's career in Detroit (15-28) then why not throw out Fassel's time in Baltimore? After all, when was the last time Baltimore had a good offense (a comparable statement to when was the last time Detroit won)? To hold the one against Fassel while absolving Mariucchi of the other seems hypocritical.

For the record, I would still prefer Schwartz (apparently not going to happen) or Meeks. And I do know that coaches with prior experience tend to be more successful, so perhaps my own desires are irrational as well.


good research. I think as skins fans we like surprises. Fassel is just a boring pick. We liked the Spurrier pick becasue it was flashy and the sky was the limit. We learned that lesson the hard way. Mabye Fassel is the same pick becasue we already have a team in place to win now, not in five years, so he wants an experienced coach to get a trophy, not turn a program around

redsk1
01-28-2008, 05:43 PM
As of 4:15 NFL Live's John Clayton says that Fassel will be the next head coach of the Skins.

If thats the case (as much as i don't like JF) let's get this thing over with. I'm tired of talking about it and being P***** at the way this thing has been handled. I'm ready to be a fan again.

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