Why the hate towards Fassel?

He's 59 years old. If he were a great coach we would have found out already. He is the definition of a retread. Also in his press conferences he always tended to blame everyone but himself when things went wrong. That's not what a leader does...

I would rather give the job to a young unproven guy(Schwartz) then a retread. And if we have to go the retread route i would rather have Mooch or just about anyone you can think of over Fassel.

Seriously, I'm not sure if theres a big difference between the two. Both have winning records, both have playoff experience, and both are "players" coaches. They both run the West Coast Offense. The only huge difference is that Fassel made it to the Super Bowl. Other than that, they're both very similar, IMO.

I'm confused myself. On paper both guys are pretty similar, yet as of right now Mariucci has a 70% approval in our poll.

What is the big difference maker between the two?

It's gotta be because Mooch is on TV.

I'm confused myself. On paper both guys are pretty similar, yet as of right now Mariucci has a 70% approval in our poll.

What is the big difference maker between the two?

It's gotta be because Mooch is on TV.

Mooch's record in Detroit shouldn't count, remember it is Detroit.

I'm confused myself. On paper both guys are pretty similar, yet as of right now Mariucci has a 70% approval in our poll.

What is the big difference maker between the two?

It's gotta be because Mooch is on TV.


Mooch has better hair. Its almost Jimmy Johnson-esque.

It's because Mooch plays BacciBall (jk).

There really isn't much. If you stand back and look at both they each have pros and cons. The difference lies in when they turned up as potential replacements for Gibbs. At first, we all assumed it would be GW. Then Fassell entered the picture and he was seen as the bad guy who was keeping GW from becoming coach. Now, Mooch is the anti-Fassel.
Seems dumb, I know, but it goes to "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Personally, I think Fassel is tainted by Baltimore and I'd rather not have another former NFC East foe coaching the Skins (Norv?).

Are you a psychologist? That makes perfect sense to me. But I never liked Fassel period. I think it's his face, anybody remember the bitter beer face commercials? Thats what i think of when i think of fassel, oh yeah and losing too. Way to get fired by the ravens fassel...the ravens?!?

If you had to start with a totally "clean slate", probably not much difference between G Williams, J Fassel or Mooch (Although I would have Mooch as #3).

However, we were not starting with a clean slate. Gibbs brough a certain sense of pride and family to the team. He created the "core Redskins" montra and brought a sense of stability and purpose.

G Williams doesn't have the ideal HC resume (neither do any of the other candidates). But, he was brought here with an implied consideration for being the successor HC, has the support of the players, other coaches and fans. He is the "logical" choice.

Perhaps he made too many demands and let his ego get in the way, but I don't want to speculate too much.

Now, regardless of who becomes our next HC, we can expect alot of on-field changes as well as personnel changes. Back to rebuilding mode just as we were getting ready to reap the benefits of our last rebuild.

I do like Mariucci. I believe you can almost throw out Detroit's win/loss % when you talk about Mariucci b/c no one has won there. I believe they were rebuilding too. He had a good run and i remember liking the way his team responded to him in SF.

Fassel on the other hand reminds me of the HATED Giants. Although probably better than the skins throughout his coaching tenure there, I remember thinking how crappy his NY teams were for the most part and his choices at QB were always questionable. He just reminds me of all of the mediocre Giants teams. Really nothing against him personally. I just keep thinking...The best we can do is Jim Fassel?

Another thing to note in this dilemma is that, Mariucci had VC as his GM and Fassel had a future HOF GM in George Young and Ernie Accorsi.

i think probably the biggest factor contributing to the bias against fassel is what happened last year in baltimore.

the ravens offense was dismal with him making calls. billick fired him, and immediately, the offense improved. the turn around was so noticeable and so instantaneous, one could not help but attribute the improvement directly to fassel (the LACK of fassel, that is).

true fassel is not being considered to be a coordinator here. but after having so recently demonstrated a glaring ineptitude in an assistant role, i think people's hesitance in embracing him as gibb's successor is, at least somewhat, justified.

oops, double post