Are we the Detroit Lions?

I do like kool aid, what's your point? I also like Ocean Spray and V8 Splash. Your difficulties in linking me to the "objective" crowd comes from you not paying attention.

If you didn't get the Kool-Aid reference, then clearly it is YOU who hasn't been paying attention.

I directed my statement towards you because you and I have often squared off in the past regarding this issue.

This comparison to the Lions is ridiculously overblown.

Since 2000 the Lions are 40-88, the Redskins are 58-70. While the Skins are still 12 games under .500, they are still 18 games better than the Lions. The Lions have had 6 seasons of double digit losing seasons this decade. The Redskins have had 3. The Redskins have 2 playoff appearances this decade, the Lions have 0.

Can we please stop with this now??

Yes the Redskins are historically a much more successful franchise than the Lions. And yes, those 4 and 5 game winning streaks orchestrated by Joe Gibbs which lead to wildcard berths have put us ahead of Detroit in what would otherwise be a nine-game difference since 2000.

While there's no denying that the Lions are consistently in the bottom third of the league, Washington doesn't do any better than hang around the middle.

I'd say they're closer than many of us want to believe.

Who really cares what "the rest of the league" is saying?

We made the playoffs and are in good shape for another run. Imagine being a Ravens fan or Bengals or Miami? We're in great shape!

If you didn't get the Kool-Aid reference, then clearly it is YOU who hasn't been paying attention.

I directed my statement towards you because you and I have often squared off in the past regarding this issue.

So in translation, you feel the need to attack me because I happen to reserve judgment on issues until after they have transpired. That's pretty childish. Because I don't happen to crap on the team like you do so very often does not imply that I am not looking at things objectively. I'm just waiting to see what transpires before I give my opinion. That, is what true objectivity means.

I'd suggest to you stop with the attacks on here.

Ok, I had to do it. I nearly threw up making this, but this is for you ridiculous people:

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Yes the Redskins are historically a much more successful franchise than the Lions. And yes, those 4 and 5 game winning streaks orchestrated by Joe Gibbs which lead to wildcard berths have put us ahead of Detroit in what would otherwise be a nine-game difference since 2000.

While there's no denying that the Lions are consistently in the bottom third of the league, Washington doesn't do any better than hang around the middle.

I'd say they're closer than many of us want to believe.

How so? I just laid out the numbers that show just how piss poor they are in comparison to the Skins. The Skins are a middle of the pack team, I don't understand the desire by some here to lump them in with the bottom feeders of the NFL. The numbers clearly don't support that argument.

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Hey thanks.

It definitely involved the most thought and effort. :cheeky-sm

How so? I just laid out the numbers that show just how piss poor they are in comparison to the Skins. The Skins are a middle of the pack team, I don't understand the desire by some here to lump them in with the bottom feeders of the NFL. The numbers clearly don't support that argument.

OK, Matty. you win.

WE'RE BETTER THAN THE LIONS!

Yay.

OK, Matty. you win.

WE'RE BETTER THAN THE LIONS!

Yay.

LOL!
So we got that going for us. We're better than the Lions!
Matt Millen and Vinney C. can start a support group or go to group therapy. Snyder can pay for it since he has money to throw away.

We're better than more teams than just the Lions.

But hey, if it makes you feel better just keep thinking that we're the worst team in the league. Don't let facts ruin your misery.