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lifetimeskin 01-27-2008, 04:07 PM I keep thinking of giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt, but then I break it down to it's most critical elements:
1. Is Fossil/new coach > than Gibbs? Not in a million years
2. Is Blache > Williams? No way
3. Is Zorn > Saunders? Not now, Zorn is not proven as an OC.
On paper it does not seem that we have improved our coaching ranks. Having said that, there are no head coaches out there that compare favorably with Gibbs, closets is Coward {sp}. Hence, once Gibbs retired, there was going to be a drop off in that position no matter what.
However, there didn't have to be a drop off in the other 2 critical coaching positions.
my 2 cents
CPAlltheWay012 01-27-2008, 07:15 PM you probably should change your avatar
Longtimefan 01-27-2008, 07:27 PM It remains to be seen. I'll be perfectly content to at least give whatever changes being implemented an opportunity to have a case made for it, right now any argument pro, or con would be pure conjecture. Let's give it all a chance to develop and see what transpires.
dblanch66 01-27-2008, 07:44 PM I keep thinking of giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt, but then I break it down to it's most critical elements:
1. Is Fossil/new coach > than Gibbs? Not in a million years
2. Is Blache > Williams? No way
3. Is Zorn > Saunders? Not now, Zorn is not proven as an OC.
On paper it does not seem that we have improved our coaching ranks. Having said that, there are no head coaches out there that compare favorably with Gibbs, closets is Coward {sp}. Hence, once Gibbs retired, there was going to be a drop off in that position no matter what.
However, there didn't have to be a drop off in the other 2 critical coaching positions.
my 2 cents
well...
Gibbs retired so we sorta, kinda HAD to replace him.
skinsnut 01-27-2008, 08:43 PM I keep thinking of giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt, but then I break it down to it's most critical elements:
1. Is Fossil/new coach > than Gibbs? Not in a million years
2. Is Blache > Williams? No way
3. Is Zorn > Saunders? Not now, Zorn is not proven as an OC.
On paper it does not seem that we have improved our coaching ranks. Having said that, there are no head coaches out there that compare favorably with Gibbs, closets is Coward {sp}. Hence, once Gibbs retired, there was going to be a drop off in that position no matter what.
However, there didn't have to be a drop off in the other 2 critical coaching positions.
my 2 cents
I agree with you completely.
The positive is this....what is on paper for the skins never translates well...(mostly coaches and stars not panning out)
Perhaps hiring lesser coaches on paper will actually become a benefit in reality
skinsguy 01-27-2008, 09:00 PM I keep thinking of giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt, but then I break it down to it's most critical elements:
1. Is Fossil/new coach > than Gibbs? Not in a million years
2. Is Blache > Williams? No way
3. Is Zorn > Saunders? Not now, Zorn is not proven as an OC.
On paper it does not seem that we have improved our coaching ranks. Having said that, there are no head coaches out there that compare favorably with Gibbs, closets is Coward {sp}. Hence, once Gibbs retired, there was going to be a drop off in that position no matter what.
However, there didn't have to be a drop off in the other 2 critical coaching positions.
my 2 cents
Well, it's not like we had any choice in the matter of having to hire a new head coach seeing as how Joe Gibbs retired. However, by your logic, is/was Williams > Gibbs? Nope.
Blache > Williams? Probably not, but Blache does get part of the credit for turning the defense around.
Zorn > Saunders? Looking at Saunders' total body of work, no at this point. Of course, we don't know what Zorn can do for us at the OC position, but we DO know what he can do for quarterbacks. Comparing them by just judging Saunders on what he's done in Washington, there wouldn't be much to improve on, so that's why the Zorn move was a good one.
Campbell17 01-27-2008, 09:48 PM No but I don't see that many other options right now.
SouperMeister 01-28-2008, 12:09 AM The best option would have been to promote Williams to HC, keep Al to continue progressing Jason Campbell, thus maintaining offensive and defensive continuity. The defense will be roughly the same with Blache, but with a new offense and new terminology, don't be surprised to see Campbell stagnate for another year or two. Asking a young QB to master 3 offenses in 4 years is no way to groom a franchise QB.
Longtimefan 01-28-2008, 12:22 AM The best option would have been to promote Williams to HC, keep Al to continue progressing Jason Campbell, thus maintaining offensive and defensive continuity. The defense will be roughly the same with Blache, but with a new offense and new terminology, don't be surprised to see Campbell stagnate for another year or two. Asking a young QB to master 3 offenses in 4 years is no way to groom a franchise QB.
Without a doubt there are many who share in your sentiment (including me) but the time has come to move on. Williams is gone, Saunders is gone, and that which is past and gone is irrevocable........Remember everything must change. In time, the changes could all prove to be for the better.
SouperMeister 01-28-2008, 12:37 AM Without a doubt there are many who share in your sentiment (including me) but the time has come to move on. Williams is gone, Saunders is gone, and that which is past and gone is irrevocable........Remember everything must change. In time, the changes could all prove to be for the better.With the firings of this past weekend, I cannot believe that Snyder gave guidance from Gibbs any credence. That's what I find most disappointing. Gibbs knew the pulse of this team better than anyone.
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