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Bill B 01-22-2008, 02:51 PM Like I said in the other post, the Danny Circus is back in full effect. The second Gibbs left, it's right back to instability. I'm really bummed out. Fassel was largely unsuccessful in Baltimore, and he's been fired from his last two coaching jobs. The only way I could stomach this is if Fassel is OC, Schwartz is DC, and Williams is head coach.
I mean WTF Danny? I can't believe this is going on after the job Gregg has done, after the tacit promise in his contract to succeed Gibbs, and after all the players expressed their desire for him to take over.
Are we going to revert back to being a league laughing stock? Why can't we just hire a GM? I feel like punching a wall.
GMScud - I know what you are feeling. As long as Vinny is here Dan will never bring in a GM unfortunately. We are stuck with Vinny until Synder either sells the team or passes away -that means the current FO structure for the next 30 plus years. The only way things would change is if we had a run of years of being really bad like the Dolphins and fans started revolting completely - eventaully leading to cancellation of the waiting list and season tickets no longer being sold out. I don't see this scenario playing out either as the fan base in Washington is one of the best in the league, even if/when our on field product is sub-par.
I too think the logical choice is Gregg Willliams. Continuity would be nice and the players have made their choice well known as well. Just like compiling a team via the draft and building from within, promoting a great coordinator seems to me the way to go.
QBall 01-22-2008, 02:52 PM Great post.
Why isn't the press all over the Danny for being such a knuckle head? Come on! The local press is scared to push the real issues and ask the tough questions because they are afraid of getting black balled by the Skins.
Jim Fassell? Are you kidding me? This confirms to me that the Danny does not understand the team and football in general.
He's set in his ways and if he passes on Williams................
Schneed10 01-22-2008, 02:56 PM Yeah but maybe we should consider just how happy Gibbs was with Saunders' offense.
Even before Gibbs stepped down there were rumors that Saunders could have been on the hotseat this offseason.
I can't possibly understand the logic behind that one. We ranked 15th in the NFL in offense this year, and that DESPITE the INSANE number of injuries we endured. Moss and Randle-El were off and on the field, Jon Jansen missed the whole season, and so did Randy Thomas. We're built to run, and our two best drive-blocking linemen were out for the season.
And yet people are going to come down on Al Saunders? WTF.
I mean sheesh, we kept saying on this very board all season long, "just imagine what we'd do without the injuries."
All this hub-bub about Gibbs retiring and now the coaching search has made people forget; we were a playoff team despite sustaining a RIDICULOUS rash of injury. The #8 defense in the league despite killer injuries to Carlos Rogers, Rocky McIntosh, the death of our best player Sean Taylor, and countless other nagging injuries. And the #15 offense in the league despite missing the entire right side of our line.
The last thing we wanted as the season ended was to see ANYTHING change. We wanted Gibbs back, we wanted Saunders and Collins and Grilliams back. Because we honestly thought, in this wide open NFC, we could get to the SB next year.
Now Gibbs resigns, and how quickly we forget. WE'RE CLOSE. The last thing we should do is mess with it.
skinsfan69 01-22-2008, 02:56 PM Getting rid of Saunders means you pretty much render Todd Collins useless. He'd be a horrible QB in any system not reliant on timing, because his arm is a friggin noodle. The only reason he's successful is because he throws to spots before the WR breaks. If he's in an offense where he's got to throw during the break, or even after it, passes will get knocked down by DBs.
And if you render Collins useless, then we have no plan for backup QB. Brunell's contract is voiding, he'll be gone. If you don't have Saunders, you have no use for Collins. So then what? You have a young QB adjusting to a new OC, and a brand new backup coming in who's got to learn it as well. You have no master of the offense anywhere on your roster.
It just reeks. Stick with Saunders. Changing the OC is the worst thing we can do.
I'm kind of with you on this. With JC and Collins in Al's offense we are very solid there. If Fassell is hired then Collins will go and they will bring on someone who is familar with his style of offense, which I believe is some kind of a West Coast version. I don't think he runs the pure version of it, like Seattle and Philly. He could bring in someone like the guy who plays in Oak and played in Det. before that. Can't think of his name. Or he could bring in Kerry Collins.
But what bothers me most is what's going to happen on the defensive side of the ball. 3/4 years our defense has been very good under GW. From what I can tell those guys really play hard for Greg and they like his tough coaching style. Total bullshit if they hire Fassell over GW. Snyder and Cerrato should just hide their faces cause the backlash from the fans and media is probably going to be tough.
Bill B 01-22-2008, 03:01 PM Agreed, and just to piggy-back, the players here are DYING for some stability. Jason Campbell has been in Al Saunders' system for two years, it's the first time he's been in a system for more than one year since he got to college. Now we might switch it up on him again?
The players have been begging to keep things the same. As soon as you get something going, 9-7 behind a late-season surge of great play, you tear it all down. It's demoralizing. The players get no sense of accomplishment, they spend the primes of their careers building something that ends up getting scrapped and rebuilt again.
We've got solid players, but players go hand-in-hand with scheme. If our owner doesn't hire GW, he's an ass.
Schneed, nice post - I think what people have to consider with Dan Synder is that his decisions are first and foremost made due to monetary considerations above all else. Bringing in a new coaching regime is all about marketing to Synder - retaining Gregg Williams or promoting from within would probably result in better on field results, but this is boring and does not create the "buzz" that a new big name coach can. Just like signing big name free agents, constant turnover is part of Dan Synder's marketing scheme.
redsk1 01-22-2008, 03:07 PM Agreed, and just to piggy-back, the players here are DYING for some stability. Jason Campbell has been in Al Saunders' system for two years, it's the first time he's been in a system for more than one year since he got to college. Now we might switch it up on him again?
The players have been begging to keep things the same. As soon as you get something going, 9-7 behind a late-season surge of great play, you tear it all down. It's demoralizing. The players get no sense of accomplishment, they spend the primes of their careers building something that ends up getting scrapped and rebuilt again.
We've got solid players, but players go hand-in-hand with scheme. If our owner doesn't hire GW, he's an ass.
Good post. I can hear Giants fans laughing already. I can't believe DS is even considering this.
DynamiteRave 01-22-2008, 03:08 PM Good post. I can hear Giants fans laughing already. I can't believe DS is even considering this.
You mean Giants + Cowboys + Eagles.
mooby 01-22-2008, 03:10 PM This really sucks, someone please send tapes of Fassel's B-more offense to Snyder so he can see exactly what happened while he was there. Seriously B-more's offense was so inept under Fassel it was pathetic. That and he wasn't anything special as a head coach either, Dan Snyder must not really care if we go 4-12. If he actually does hire Fassel it will basically confirm that we are not gonna change until either Snyder or Cerrato leaves this team.
Dlyne8r 01-22-2008, 03:11 PM So what's so different about us? We were dominant at the end of the season, right? We were a playoff team, right?
I'm not trumpeting the Jim Fassel horn, but if he's the guy it's not all of the sudden we're back to the drawing board and rebuilding from scratch.
Our situation is different from the perspective that our team at the end of this season was not as dominant as at least SD last season. Sorry if that rubs anyone the wrong way, but SD, and even Dallas to a greater degree than D.C., had a much better roster, better record, possibly better coached, and most likely a better front office for someone to take the reigns of. I could not disagree with you more in regards to "...back to the drawing board and rebuilding from scratch" if Fassel is hired. The players will revolt, the assistant coaches will depart, and what is left? Going back to the drawing board and rebuilding from scratch.
Defensewins 01-22-2008, 03:13 PM [/B]
Schneed, nice post - I think what people have to consider with Dan Synder is that his decisions are first and foremost made due to monetary considerations above all else. Bringing in a new coaching regime is all about marketing to Synder - retaining Gregg Williams or promoting from within would probably result in better on field results, but this is boring and does not create the "buzz" that a new big name coach can. Just like signing big name free agents, constant turnover is part of Dan Synder's marketing scheme.
Nothing sells more and markets better than winning. Winning playoff games and winning Super Bowls markets better than changing Coaches and being mediocre. The Patriots are proof of that. The TV commercial ad time during the New York Giants vs New England Patriots regular season finale was the highest ever for a regular season game. The 30 second commercials were selling for close to Superbowl money.
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