Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies

I think you are jumping a pretty big gap in logic here. Just because Gibbs supports Williams and Williams coached under Gibbs does not automatically make him more fit for the job.

The players endorse him, much because they have to. That doesn't mean Snyder should be cornered into hiring Gregg Williams if he doesn't feel he's fit to be coach of the Redskins.

The Redskins went through due process on this one. They interviewed a bunch of candidates. They gave second interviews. Snyder included Vinny and Gibbs in the process. The methodology of this decision had everything we as fans could ask for.

I already know the single best candidate for the job (Schwartz) is going to get passed up. The point is, if Danny feels that Fassel makes a better coach than Williams (and the evidence is conflicting), we really can't produce any conclusive evidence that the team is better or worse off. Why not just optimistically wait and see?

I'm not saying that Gggrilliamsss is more qualified strictly because he coached under Joe. In fact, I'm quite aware and open to the idea that Gregggg could be a disaster as a head coach. However, I think the same is true of nearly every other coach that's been discussed, and doubly so of some.

For my money, I'd like Gregggg to at least have the chance to try and fail, rather than throw away the spirit of the team we've been building for the past 4 years and hope for the best with an entirely new regime.

My point is that Snyder could be making decisions now on a macro level in the same vein as the way we were making personnel decisions on a micro level for the past few years: go for the instant gratification, get the guy who's surely the best "big name" coach, etc.

Business is business, but that's not necessarily what The Redskins is all about. I think Joe proved that in both campaigns here.

Secondly, Snyder isn't being "conned" into anything. If you lure a guy into a role as a #2 guy, keep leading him on to ensure he doesn't chase other potential offers, make him all kinds of assurances that he's the heir to the throne, and he (mostly) does his job well during that time, and then turn around and say "you know, contractually, I don't really HAVE to give you the job, I can contractually just pay you a few bucks out of my enormous wallet", well, I think that sends a pretty clear message to players, coaches and fans.

Contractually he may be in the right, but it sure seems like he's a guy whose word doesn't mean a whole lot when all is said and done.

Here's the thing. If Williams was named coach the day after Gibbs resigned, and then he made wholesale changes (or even if he didn't) and the team tanked then we'd still have people panicking and bitching and asking "Why didn't we go through a diligent interview process?" "What did Williams do to deserve being handed the full reigns?" And so on.

A lot of people feel the need to bitch and moan about everything all the time. That much should be pretty apparent to all of us by now.

Here's the thing. If Williams was named coach the day after Gibbs resigned, and then he made wholesale changes (or even if he didn't) and the team tanked then we'd still have people panicking and bitching and asking "Why didn't we go through a diligent interview process?" "What did Williams do to deserve being handed the full reigns?" And so on.

A lot of people feel the need to bitch and moan about everything all the time. That much should be pretty apparent to all of us by now.

While this is true as a generalism, you're also underestimating the number of fans who appreciate loyalty and effort over the cutthroat, "it's-just-business" mentality.

As a guy who staunchly supported Joe during some of the darkest days of his career this year, I'm surprised you are so ambivalent to the idea of casting Ggggrilliamsss aside and reshuffling the entire coaching staff.

The comments now coming out of Alabama are precisely the kind of thing I was talking about earlier. Snyder is sending a message, and it's not the kind of message we got from Redskins Park when Joe was in town.

Here's the thing. If Williams was named coach the day after Gibbs resigned, and then he made wholesale changes (or even if he didn't) and the team tanked then we'd still have people panicking and bitching and asking "Why didn't we go through a diligent interview process?" "What did Williams do to deserve being handed the full reigns?" And so on.

A lot of people feel the need to bitch and moan about everything all the time. That much should be pretty apparent to all of us by now.

Sooooo, you have no complaints about how this is being handled?

I'm not in love with GW as HC, but I certainly hoped it would happen.

If assured that hiring Williams to be head coach (and only head coach) would mean continuity in terms of keeping key assistants, same philosophy on both sides of the ball, and so on then yeah I think Williams is the best coach for this team. If you're asking is the most skilled head coach, then no I don't think he is. If I'm hiring a coach that's not from this organization then Wiliams is not my first choice, probably not even my second or third. But he is, and that shouldn't be ignored.

Ideally a head coach would have been selected by now, but he hasn't been. And again, while I don't think Fassel is the best choice, I don't think he's a horrible selection (if he were to bring in Billick as his OC then we might have an issue) and I, quite honestly, think people here are being idiots for panicking and saying shit like "I'm going to sell all my Redskins stuff."

So many have wanted Snyder to be "patient" for years now, and it's pretty pathetic that "knowledgeable fans" can't seem to do the same.

If assured that hiring Williams to be head coach (and only head coach) would mean continuity in terms of keeping key assistants, same philosophy on both sides of the ball, and so on then yeah I think Williams is the best coach for this team. If you're asking is the most skilled head coach, then no I don't think he is. If I'm hiring a coach that's not from this organization then Wiliams is not my first choice, probably not even my second or third. But he is, and that shouldn't be ignored.

Ideally a head coach would have been selected by now, but he hasn't been. And again, while I don't think Fassel is the best choice, I don't think he's a horrible selection (if he were to bring in Billick as his OC then we might have an issue) and I, quite honestly, think people here are being idiots for panicking and saying shit like "I'm going to sell all my Redskins stuff."

So many have wanted Snyder to be "patient" for years now, and it's pretty pathetic that "knowledgeable fans" can't seem to do the same.

I agree with the "freak out" stuff. But let's just assume the potential coach in question wasn't Fassel. Let's say it was Cowher. Everyone's tone around here would probably be a lot different. Fassel didn't exactly leave the league on a good note. In '06 he was fired mid-season by the Ravens, who proceeded to go 9-1 after he left. I just wonder what's so great about Fassel in Danny's eyes. Is it solely his skill at QB development? Of late he's unsuccessfully interviewed for a few coordinator positions (most recently OC in KC), but suddenly he's numero uno for the Skins? For me, the frustration lies in not understanding the decision making process. And hearing other league sources refer to us as a "laughing stock" is no fun.

It's not so much about pleasing the players, it's about hiring a strong coach that has the potential to be a coach for a long period of time. IMO that's not Fassel, it is GW. And if not GW, than find someone better than JF.

i,m there also..if it aint gregg then find someone who will make a name for himself "long term".

do the right thing for the skins organization and it,s players...
1.4 billion for this:spank:

I, quite honestly, think people here are being idiots for panicking and saying shit like "I'm going to sell all my Redskins stuff."

So many have wanted Snyder to be "patient" for years now, and it's pretty pathetic that "knowledgeable fans" can't seem to do the same.


Of course, anybody who's talking like that has issues, but it also again speaks to the desire of a lot of people for stability, professionalism and class, and I don't see how anyone can NOT see the change in Snyder and the organization in the weeks since Joe resigned.

I think what a lot of us had hoped is that Snyder had learned more from Joe about leadership and how to be a good citizen as well as a winner. The jury is still out and he may yet prove that he has, but I don't think it's surprising that fans are feeling flashbacks to the days of early Snyder.

I've never been a huge Danny-basher (okay, the Spurrier thing notwithstanding), because unlike a lot of owners (*cough BIDWELLS *cough), he actually puts his money where his mouth is and tries to improve the team. But I'm starting to realize that his team is really a reflection of his ownership style. Inconsistent and frankly, middle-of-the-road.

Wilbon got it right that we're probably a safe bet for an 8-8 team at any given season right now, and I think Snyder's a safe bet for a pretty average owner, in terms of his understanding of what it takes to build a winning franchise and keep it running. He's no Bidwell or Ford, but he's no Rooney or Bob Kraft, either.

I'm still hoping it's Williams with Schwartz as his top lieutenant. But the point is why do you need to understand the decision making process? Especially why now when the decision is not even made. Did Steelers fans understand the decision making process of hiring Tomlin, and not Grimm or Whisenhunt?

We all want the steak, but is it really so important that we know how the cow was slaughtered?

I'm still hoping it's Williams with Schwartz as his top lieutenant. But the point is why do you need to understand the decision making process? Especially why now when the decision is not even made. Did Steelers fans understand the decision making process of hiring Tomlin, and not Grimm or Whisenhunt?

We all want the steak, but is it really so important that we know how the cow was slaughtered?it is if you're Kosher