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Schneed10 01-14-2008, 09:14 AM \
STUPID THREAD. Why is it that most of the Redskin fans just don't like Romo and Brady? I think it's personal just cause they date hot women, they are good at what they do and they are good looking guys. Personally I don't think Romo is all that good looking, but that's me. A long time ago we had a QB just like these guys. His name was Joe Thiesmann.
Did you actually watch the game? If so how can you call Romo a choker? The guy was under serious pressure all game long. Give the Giants some credit cause they can rush the passer with their front 4. What about throwing some blame to Crayton for dropping a potential TD? What about Jason Garrett who IMO called a shitty game and seemed to go away from the running game? I'm with TO on this one. It's a total team loss!
Because he was bitching at his offensive line, playing frantically when under pressure, was taking huge sacks (10-12 yard losses) instead of standing in, stepping up in the pocket, and taking the sack for just a 5 yard loss. He also got called for a key intentional grounding penalty helping to kill one of his drives. He was in the pocket and purposely heaved it practically into the stands. Then on another play, he had rolled out of the pocket but failed to throw the ball away (which would not have been intentional grounding) and instead took a huge sack. You could tell he was rattled and wasn't using his head.
skinsfan69 01-14-2008, 09:19 AM Yeah but this isn't something you evaluate with numbers. Romo's career is so young, and he's played only two playoff games. So looking at stats obviously isn't going to tell you much. What we do know, though, is that Tony Romo has started off the last two seasons absolutely red hot, but then played like asscrack coming down the stretch. He's not a choke artist because of his playoff performances, he's a choke artist because:
1) His December performances have been awful.
2) Like Matty said, he was not acting one bit like a leader in the 4th quarter yesterday. He was bitching at his guys. He was panicking. He was playing frantically. There was no poise whatsoever, no confident calm to his demeanor. You can just tell by looking at the guy - he's a decent QB with decent talent - but he has no intangibles. He's got an unorthodox delivery and a gunslinger's mentality just like Brett Favre, but none of Favre's take-charge leadership. That doesn't reflect in the numbers, you can only see that by watching the game and paying attention to human behavior.
So far in his young career, he's definitely a choke artist. He's got plenty of time to turn that around, but I honestly don't like his chances in the NEXT heat of the moment - he's just not a leader.
C'mon Schneed. The O-line was getting manhandled. The center kept screwing up. You can't blame him for getting frustrated with the O-line. I've seen Farve get on his guys for running the wrong routes. But it's funny when Farve does it it's leadership. Romo could have played better. No doubt about it. But it didn't seem like he was getting much help.
Can anyone around here actually give the NYG some credit?? 9 straight road wins in the NFL is just ridiculous.
coggs 01-14-2008, 09:20 AM 0-2 in the playoffs, a 13-3 team gets bounced from the divisional round, what do you think?
Does Romo = choker?"The Cowboys did not choke. The Giants choked them..."-Mike Vaccaro, NY Post
TheMalcolmConnection 01-14-2008, 09:23 AM Because he was bitching at his offensive line, playing frantically when under pressure, was taking huge sacks (10-12 yard losses) instead of standing in, stepping up in the pocket, and taking the sack for just a 5 yard loss. He also got called for a key intentional grounding penalty helping to kill one of his drives. He was in the pocket and purposely heaved it practically into the stands. Then on another play, he had rolled out of the pocket but failed to throw the ball away (which would not have been intentional grounding) and instead took a huge sack. You could tell he was rattled and wasn't using his head.
If I'm a Cowboys fan this would drive me NUTS about him. People have figured out that he's going to run away from pressure and try to throw on the run rather than in the pocket. He keeps running back ten to twenty yards and either heaves it up, PRAYING someone comes down with it or takes a HUGE sack.
And no skinsfan69, it's not because they date hot chicks, most of us here date or are married to hot chicks. It's because they are total douches, and at least Brady unlike Romo takes some responsibility for his team.
skinsfan69 01-14-2008, 09:23 AM Because he was bitching at his offensive line, playing frantically when under pressure, was taking huge sacks (10-12 yard losses) instead of standing in, stepping up in the pocket, and taking the sack for just a 5 yard loss. He also got called for a key intentional grounding penalty helping to kill one of his drives. He was in the pocket and purposely heaved it practically into the stands. Then on another play, he had rolled out of the pocket but failed to throw the ball away (which would not have been intentional grounding) and instead took a huge sack. You could tell he was rattled and wasn't using his head.
I agree. He was rattled. But I don't see many QB's in the NFL that don't get rattled when they are under pressure. No question he screwed up. But what about Dallas getting beat on special teams? Allowing two big returns that set up NYG scores? All the blame gets thrown to Romo. He should get some blame but to call him a choker is just going too far.
Schneed10 01-14-2008, 09:24 AM One of the things that never gets measured in a QB's numbers, at least not the traditional ones we look at (18-36 for 201 yards, one TD, one INT), is the sacks and sack yards he takes. Romo's got a bad habit of retreating from the rush and taking huge sacks kind of like Eli has done. Romo put his team into several 2nd and 20s in the 4th quarter yesterday by failing to get rid of the ball or failing to minimize the sack yardage he lost on the play.
When you're in the heat of the moment, someone with toughness and courage stands in and says "If I'm getting sacked, I'm going to stare them in the face as they're hitting me. Bring it on." Someone without leadership, who plays anxiously and frantically (and possibly a little fearfully), will retreat from the rush at times, and make bad decisions at others.
Tom Brady is the former. Tony Romo is the latter.
TheMalcolmConnection 01-14-2008, 09:25 AM C'mon Schneed. The O-line was getting manhandled. The center kept screwing up. You can't blame him for getting frustrated with the O-line. I've seen Farve get on his guys for running the wrong routes. But it's funny when Farve does it it's leadership. Romo could have played better. No doubt about it. But it didn't seem like he was getting much help.
Can anyone around here actually give the NYG some credit?? 9 straight road wins in the NFL is just ridiculous.
Just like Schneed said, have you watched him this whole December? It wasn't just the Giants game. It was every game this December. He just hasn't played well.
When TO is out you see exactly how vital he is to making Tony look a LOT better than he is.
Schneed10 01-14-2008, 09:27 AM C'mon Schneed. The O-line was getting manhandled. The center kept screwing up. You can't blame him for getting frustrated with the O-line. I've seen Farve get on his guys for running the wrong routes. But it's funny when Farve does it it's leadership. Romo could have played better. No doubt about it. But it didn't seem like he was getting much help.
Can anyone around here actually give the NYG some credit?? 9 straight road wins in the NFL is just ridiculous.
Yeah they were not keeping guys off Romo, true. But step up and take a 5 yard sack, don't run back and take a 10 yard one. And don't commit intentional grounding. And don't bitch at your offensive line in the middle of the game - exactly what does that accomplish?
Schneed10 01-14-2008, 09:30 AM "The Cowboys did not choke. The Giants choked them..."-Mike Vaccaro, NY Post
I agree with this. The Giants won this game.
Romo's not a choke artist BECAUSE of this game. But he is a choke artist because he's so lousy coming down the stretch, and he's shown a tendency to get nervous and frantic in key moments of games (dropping the snap in Seattle - nerves), intentional grounding penalties against NYG (not thinking because he's not poised).
SouperMeister 01-14-2008, 09:33 AM I think it's about time QB Romeo stops with the little shit-eating grin he's always sporting and gets serious. He had an awful second half.
I don't know if we can call him a choke artist. I mean, the botched FG hold last year was awful, but hats off to Giants DC Spagnolo for his halftime adjustments. The Cowpukes could only muster 3 second half points, and the Giants got tons of pressure of QB Romeo after he went untouched in the 1st half.Yep, "Smiley Boy" Romo wasn't hasn't been all smiles for over a month now. Czaban called it best about a month back - Romo is a fine QB when the offense is humming - all smiles and fun. But when the offense is in crisis, we'll see whether Romo can provide true leadership. Smiley Boy showed his true colors yesterday.
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