Chad Johnson?

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SBXVII
01-09-2008, 02:02 AM
He just needs a half decent QB throwing to him. His QB has been hurt recently. Also if there is any issues we still have that QB's brother on lay away to make him feel at home. lol.

airsoftking
01-09-2008, 05:59 AM
I don't want him here, I don't like this guy.

Hijinx
01-09-2008, 06:08 AM
I can't see Cincy releasing him unless they got real cap problems or are writing off the 2008 season.(a new coach might factor in this). Some team will give at least a 2nd round pick for him. The money needed to grab him will be too high and our cap space is need to shore up the Defensive line. I did't think ARE had a bad season at all and I am hopeful that Moss will shake whatever injuries were bugging him this year.

Hogette-21
01-09-2008, 09:54 AM
Washington is a Good fit for Him too,cause if you wanna get Paid you come to Washington.The upfront money is totally there and Who cares if they have to restructure the deal every year because of all the upfront money they get,Good fit I say.

Master4Caster
01-09-2008, 10:47 AM
The Skins could use a big, TALL, heavy duty, reliable wide receiver. I doubt that the Bengals would release or trade him [remains to be seen]. After watching Randy Moss with the Patriots this year, I not so dismissive of Chad Johnson, or of Keyshawn Johnson if he hadn't retired and signed here.

My Bias [full disclosure]: the wide receivers as a group were the biggest let down in the offense this season. Both quarterbacks played better than they did.

jsarno
01-09-2008, 11:33 AM
Chad Johnson (http://www.nfl.com/players/chadjohnson/profile?id=JOH104425)

The guy is elite.

Yes he is...but in a system that constantly throws to him. We don't have (as of today anyway) a pass happy offense like the Bengals have. So his numbers would take a huge dive if he came here and everyone would say "where is Chad, we pay him too much money to disappear". Because a lot of people don't understand that if you aren't thrown the ball, you can't make any impact.
Also, we have a slew of positions that are much more important to fill, and someone like Chad would take up ALL the space...cause he's THE BEST...just ask him.

GTripp0012
01-09-2008, 11:43 AM
Yes he is...but in a system that constantly throws to him. We don't have (as of today anyway) a pass happy offense like the Bengals have. So his numbers would take a huge dive if he came here and everyone would say "where is Chad, we pay him too much money to disappear". Because a lot of people don't understand that if you aren't thrown the ball, you can't make any impact.
Also, we have a slew of positions that are much more important to fill, and someone like Chad would take up ALL the space...cause he's THE BEST...just ask him.Good post.

If we want to improve our receiving corps, we are going to have to go get an elite target. However, elite receiving targets cost a lot of money, and rarely if ever live up to their billing. Since signing anything less than an elite receiver will in no way improve our receivers (we go about 4 deep at above average, and Cooley plays the slot receiver anyway), the most intelligent course of action would be to sit on our hands.

Maybe two years down the road, it will become profitable to release Moss, and chase a guy like Larry Fitzgerald in free agency, but for the time being, there's really not a whole lot of intelligent moves that can be made with our wide receivers.

jsarno
01-09-2008, 11:50 AM
Good post.

If we want to improve our receiving corps, we are going to have to go get an elite target. However, elite receiving targets cost a lot of money, and rarely if ever live up to their billing. Since signing anything less than an elite receiver will in no way improve our receivers (we go about 4 deep at above average, and Cooley plays the slot receiver anyway), the most intelligent course of action would be to sit on our hands.

Maybe two years down the road, it will become profitable to release Moss, and chase a guy like Larry Fitzgerald in free agency, but for the time being, there's really not a whole lot of intelligent moves that can be made with our wide receivers.

exactly.

dgreen
01-09-2008, 01:09 PM
Yes he is...but in a system that constantly throws to him. We don't have (as of today anyway) a pass happy offense like the Bengals have. So his numbers would take a huge dive if he came here and everyone would say "where is Chad, we pay him too much money to disappear".
I agree his numbers would likely drop (but not a huge dive, IMO) and that people would complain about his $/reception ratio. But, I don't think those are good reasons to stay away from Chad Johnson, or any other top WR.

Because a lot of people don't understand that if you aren't thrown the ball, you can't make any impact.
Not true. Simply having a guy of CJ's caliber on the field would help Moss, Cooley, ARE, Portis, and anyone else on the field.

Nobody can convince me Houshmandzadeh is more talented than CJ. Houshmandzadeh, while a good WR, is putting up such good numbers because of who is taking coverage away from him.

Also, we have a slew of positions that are much more important to fill, and someone like Chad would take up ALL the space...cause he's THE BEST...just ask him.
WR is the starting position that needs to be upgraded the most. If Springs leaves and Rogers doesn't look like he'll be ready for the start of the season, then I'd say starting CB becomes the biggest need. But, as things stand today, WR is at the top.

WillH
01-09-2008, 01:48 PM
I agree his numbers would likely drop (but not a huge dive, IMO) and that people would complain about his $/reception ratio. But, I don't think those are good reasons to stay away from Chad Johnson, or any other top WR.


Not true. Simply having a guy of CJ's caliber on the field would help Moss, Cooley, ARE, Portis, and anyone else on the field.

Nobody can convince me Houshmandzadeh is more talented than CJ. Houshmandzadeh, while a good WR, is putting up such good numbers because of who is taking coverage away from him.


WR is the starting position that needs to be upgraded the most. If Springs leaves and Rogers doesn't look like he'll be ready for the start of the season, then I'd say starting CB becomes the biggest need. But, as things stand today, WR is at the top.


That is ludicrous. Perhaps moss was a bit disappointing early this season, but he was injured, and BL was certainly a bust. But ARE had a decent year for us, and Caldwell and McCardell both proved to be consistent third and fourth receivers. And who knows? Maybe this Anthony Mix kid will be special.

If you ask me the problems with our passing game began with our O-line. Yes our WR dropped alot of balls early in the season, and that should not be excused, but they settled into a rhythm and started producing consistently from the mid point of the season. Furthermore, if you look at the middle stretch during which we lost most of our games, you'll notice that our QB never had time to sit in the pocket. JC constantly had to shift around and bide his time. This allowed him to take the deep shot only a few times every game, and he overthrew a few too many of those deep shots. Yes the WR's dropped a few they shouldn't have, but if you only have a legitimate chance at catching one homerun ball a game then you're SOL. This may not be a completely analogous example, but Randy Mos couldn't do shit on the Raiders. It doesn't simply take an elite WR to turn a teams passing game around, you need a good QB and good pass protection, not to mention some relief from your running game.

I think with our O-line healthy again next year, we will get better production not only from our WR's but from the Offense as a whole. Little needs to be changed in this Offense, but what is certain is that we need young talented depth in the O-line so that late in the season we have our future starters out there showing us why they were worth the draft picks.

As for the Defense, yes they kept us in a lot of games, and finished 8th overall in the NFL, but there is a glaring problem on our Defense. We get ZERO pressure from our front four. OK that is an exaggeration, but it is certainly a weakness, one that I would contend cost us a few games this year. How many times did we let teams drive down the field late in games and score a winning TD our FG? It seems to me that what happened in those situations is that we brought only a four man rush and dropped everyone else back to prevent the big play. It did stop the big play, but we let the teams methodically drive down the field to score and win, and it is because our front four could not disrupt the QB, plain and simple.

These are our biggest concerns hands down, and as you said our secondary could potentially become a big concern as well. I will give you this, we could certainly use an elite WR. Who Couldn't?!? But there is no way it is our #1 need right now. I will grant you that it will be necessary in the next few years for this team to become a powerhouse, but as far as developing this team into a perennial playoff contender is concerned, we have much more immediate problems.

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