Collins' INT/Moss' "give up"

Ok so everyone seems to think Moss gave up on that play. And you guys listened to the announcer Chris Collinsworthless give worthless analysis once again. he said that Moss gave up because the DB didnt bit on his post corner route.

This is partially true, Moss stopped running bc the DB didn't "bite", but why did the DB not bite? That is because Todd and Santana were on sync that play. Todd threw the ball out before Santana made his cuts.

So by the time Moss looked up the DB keyed in on the throw not because he knew where the ball was gonna go preroute or something.

Todd made a poor throw way too early in Santana's route. I think this is purely Todd's fault. Those with DVR I urge to go back, mute the sound, and look at the play.

The major problem I have with Moss on this play is he did not play until the whistle blew. He gave up. Regardless of where you think the ball is or is going, or that Todd made a poor throw, you play until the whistle blows.
If Moss had tried to defend the interception or even committed offensive pass interference and ran over the DB before he caught it, that would have been a better outcome than an interception returned for a TD. Instead Moss decided to give up on the play and start day dreaming, he allowed another DB that was paying attention to get between him and the guy that ran it in for the TD. Moss had nobody between him and the DB before the DB caught the int., but since Moss had something more important to do than see where the ball was thrown, IMO the TD return was Moss' fault.

It looked to me that Santana thought the pass went out of bounds and that is why he held up. He had is back to where the ball was going, but I have a feeling he thought it carried out of bounds.

You will notice the look of surprise by his reaction when he turned around and saw what had really happened.

It looked to me that Santana thought the pass went out of bounds and that is why he held up. He had is back to where the ball was going, but I have a feeling he thought it carried out of bounds.

You will notice the look of surprise by his reaction when he turned around and saw what had really happened.
I have to agree with you on this one. Moss may make mistakes from time to time but him giving up on a play has never been an issue with him.

It looked to me that Santana thought the pass went out of bounds and that is why he held up. He had is back to where the ball was going, but I have a feeling he thought it carried out of bounds.

You will notice the look of surprise by his reaction when he turned around and saw what had really happened.

It does not take much effort to turn your head and look to see of the ball did go out of bounds. I guess he was too busy.

It looked to me that Santana thought the pass went out of bounds and that is why he held up. He had is back to where the ball was going, but I have a feeling he thought it carried out of bounds.

You will notice the look of surprise by his reaction when he turned around and saw what had really happened.
That was what I thought happened. Plus, since the throw was into the wind it may have looked like it was going to sail out of bounds until it just sort of dropped, which seems to happen on a lot of punts.
Actually, isn't that pretty much what happened on the kick that Burleson (sp?) forgot to field?

In my personal opinion, I just believe Moss stopped on the play and Collins shouldn't have thrown the pass. In another words, Collins was supposed to have thrown the pass if it looked as if Trufant had bit on Moss's double move. Since he obviously didn't bite on the move, Collins wasn't supposed to have thrown in that direction. But, since Collins did throw the ball, Moss should've turned into a defender and tried his best to knock the ball away from the DB. My question is, if Moss lost the ball in the lights, wouldn't the DB have also lost the ball in the lights? It just looked like to me it was a little bit of Collins and Moss's fault. Like someone else mentioned, it was also the rest of the 11 guys fault by allowing the DB to scamper 78 yards for a TD.

Lots of debate here on who shoulda done whatever when I think the REAL question should be whether or not Moss "gave up" on the play or if he actually "quit".

Oh, and that second INT returned for a TD happened with a Seahawk walking into the end zone with not a white jersey anywhere to be seen other than Collins trying to chase down the play. Was that a "give up" or a "quit"?

Each and every one of the Redskins on the field for those two plays did not earn their game checks.

Well I dont know about all that but I went back and looked at it carefully. he was running a post corner route(See route B on picture below.)

http://www.sportsgamer.com/assets/images/10.01.07.12.39.06.jpg


And Collins is suppose to make the throw right before the second cut. From what I saw he threw it WAY before.

That is why the DB keyed in on the INT, because he saw the ball going one way and Moss going the other.
If Saunders would've kept Moss's speed burst button down and then hit the catch button we would've been fine !!! J/K :laughing-

That play wasn't on either of them 100%. I would say that it is more on Moss than Collins though. I think it was a terrible pass, it should not have been throw. I would say that he shouldn't have thrown that ball 100% of the time. I still don't see what Collins saw to make him put that football up. However, Santana can't stop on that route. There was absolutely no reason for it! Play to the whistle! I was offended that Santana Moss got to keep his jersey after not looking for/locating/fighting for the football on that play. There is no explanation that will satisfy me as to why Moss didn't fight for the ball or at least try to break up the pass.

During the play, before the pick or the return, (and well before Collinsworth's analysis) I was screaming at the TV, "Why the f@#k did you stop?!" I still don't believe there was a valid reason for Santana to stop the route and there is no explanation that I think I can stomach.

Well I dont know about all that but I went back and looked at it carefully. he was running a post corner route(See route B on picture below.)

http://www.sportsgamer.com/assets/images/10.01.07.12.39.06.jpg


And Collins is suppose to make the throw right before the second cut. From what I saw he threw it WAY before.

That is why the DB keyed in on the INT, because he saw the ball going one way and Moss going the other.
Moss was frustrated, and knew it was over. Maybe he was expressing, "Jason's Team"