Collins' INT/Moss' "give up"

Exactly, Collins has no significant arm strength. I am glad my other friends who thought Collins should start next year finally shut up after this game.

I guess my whole point was everyone, including TC in postgame interviews,
seemed to blame this on Moss when Collins made a poor throw on so many levels.

Collins won four and 3/4ths games with no arm strength. It was not the lack of arm strength that cause the interceptions it was the call. Redskins NEVER throw deep, especially when they are ahead. So why ask a weak armed QB to throw deep, against the wind....against the wind...with five minutes left in the game. The short-intermediate passing game worked well for the other TD's. Why did the coaches panic with 5 minutes left and ask Collins to throw 40 yards against the wind? THATS the question that should be answered.

Collins won four and 3/4ths games with no arm strength. It was not the lack of arm strength that cause the interceptions it was the call. Redskins NEVER throw deep, especially when they are ahead. So why ask a weak armed QB to throw deep, against the wind....against the wind...with five minutes left in the game. The short-intermediate passing game worked well for the other TD's. Why did the coaches panic with 5 minutes left and ask Collins to throw 40 yards against the wind? THATS the question that should be answered.

That's a good point actually

This chat room stuff gets old because its too slow. I want to know if anybody likes to talk live or if there is a live chat room with audio about the SKINS. If not, I am thinking about starting a Redskins weekly conference call line where we could get together on the phone in a chat room environment.

Anyone else interested except me?

This chat room stuff gets old because its too slow. I want to know if anybody likes to talk live or if there is a live chat room with audio about the SKINS. If not, I am thinking about starting a Redskins weekly conference call line where we could get together on the phone in a chat room environment.

Anyone else interested except me?

You don't need to post the same thing in multiple threads

Why are you guys bashing on Todd Collins... The man started and finished 4-1. He helped us get into the playoffs. No need to bash him because of one game. Obviously, no one is perfect.

Ok so everyone seems to think Moss gave up on that play. And you guys listened to the announcer Chris Collinsworthless give worthless analysis once again. he said that Moss gave up because the DB didnt bit on his post corner route.

This is partially true, Moss stopped running bc the DB didn't "bite", but why did the DB not bite?
Moss Stopped Running! I don't care what play was called or how bad a throw it was, He gave up on the play! I love Santana, He is on my avatar. But the fact is he clearly didn't complete his route.

In the NFL, If you wait till the WR gets open, You've waited too long. You have to throw to spots.

The playcall:
In my opinion it was a great play call. We had our most explosive offensive weapon with one on one coverage. Collins threw a couple of jump balls up to Santana the previous 4 games and no one complained because santana made the play. In the Vikings game, Collins lobbed a ball to santana, Fortunately Santana came down with it for a TD.

A deep pass to Santana Moss with one on one coverage, No deep safety? I will take that play any day of the week and twice on sundays. More often than not, Santana is going to come down with it or draw a Pass interference penalty.

FYI, After the game, Santana said in an interview that he lost the ball in the lights.

Collins won four and 3/4ths games with no arm strength. It was not the lack of arm strength that cause the interceptions it was the call. Redskins NEVER throw deep, especially when they are ahead. So why ask a weak armed QB to throw deep, against the wind....against the wind...with five minutes left in the game. The short-intermediate passing game worked well for the other TD's. Why did the coaches panic with 5 minutes left and ask Collins to throw 40 yards against the wind? THATS the question that should be answered.

Yeah like SS said, good point. First legit problem I have heard with the playcalling.

Collins had shown the ability to hit the deep balls. I liked the aggressive nature of the call.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess.

Keep pounding and people say you are too conservative. Take some shots and people say you panicked.

I thought I heard on Comcast that Moss said he stopped running because when he looked back he couldn't find the ball.

Anyway, I don't blame TC for that interception at all. Like I said in another thread he put it up there and Moss stopped the route for the DB not biting and losing track of the ball, that's all on Moss not TC. If he hadn't of stopped running I think Moss would've had at least a 50/50 chance of catching that pass.

If I had to place blame, I would go with Moss. He stopped running. he was the primary receiver on that play. you never give up your route, isn't that the first thing you learn as a WR?? Collins put the ball up for him to make a play. that is what you would expect moss to do, he does it all the time. the fact he didn't see the ball I can take, the fact he stopped running i can't. plus the fact he didn't seem to worried about making a tackle also irkes me bit, but I guess the whole offense kinda let that one go.

Look, it was a bad play. To blame one person on that play is crazy. There were multiple things on that play that was not good. Todd had to make the throw early because the line couldn't protect - moss didn't make a play on the ball - no one on offense seemed to be able to catch the DB. I dont think you can blame the staff either. I think they called a relatively good game. Defensively, not sure why we went conservative on the series after the missed FG because we had been playing good pressure D with a cover 1 / man scheme.

we got beat, a game that we had a lead in the 4th quarter. Suprised..not really. we have blown so many games this year in the same situation. I guess no one saw it coming with the 4 or 5 weeks of stellar play.

good season, not great, but we'll fight our guts our next year.