A Playoff question: Campbell or Collins?

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railcon56
12-27-2007, 12:26 PM
Collins is hot, has control of the offense and has Saunders full confidence to use the entire playbook.

Campbell is the future, but the rest of the playoffs is all TC.
Playoff Defenses are a totally different story.... I think Collin's lack of mobility will be a major liability..... Collins has also benefitted from having healthy recievers.....Collins has played well but not so spectacular that he is the Messiah .. Also The Offensive line has started to play alot better... So If Collins can play so well now..I beleive Campbell with his mobility and strong arm would be alot better than Collins... But I will be cheer for whoever plays..

irish
12-27-2007, 12:37 PM
Playoff Defenses are a totally different story.... I think Collin's lack of mobility will be a major liability..... Collins has also benefitted from having healthy recievers.....Collins has played well but not so spectacular that he is the Messiah .. Also The Offensive line has started to play alot better... So If Collins can play so well now..I beleive Campbell with his mobility and strong arm would be alot better than Collins... But I will be cheer for whoever plays..

The line is playing better because they dont have to hold their protection too long since Collins gets the ball out fast instead of standing there trying to figure out who's open. Also now that the Skins can pass the run has opened up and Portis looks more like the Portis of old.

MTK
12-27-2007, 12:55 PM
The line is playing better because they dont have to hold their protection too long since Collins gets the ball out fast instead of standing there trying to figure out who's open. Also now that the Skins can pass the run has opened up and Portis looks more like the Portis of old.

Yep I agree.

It's easy to protect for a guy that takes 3 step drops and gets the ball out on time.

railcon56
12-27-2007, 01:02 PM
The line is playing better because they dont have to hold their protection too long since Collins gets the ball out fast instead of standing there trying to figure out who's open. Also now that the Skins can pass the run has opened up and Portis looks more like the Portis of old.
Portis himself has started running harder.....During the Minnesota Game I saw him making cuts like he hasn't since he was in Denver.... And those were in the open field.... Alot of things are coming together right now.... ARE ..Moss...Portis...they were all dinged up... Also the Offensive Line is Jelling and getting used to playing together... I will give Collins credit ..he has played well... But He hasnt been Unbelievable or Tom Brady like... The team as a WHOLE has started coming together....Plus I just don't believe a Stater should lose his job to injury...Collins competed for the starting job and lost....

firstdown
12-27-2007, 01:09 PM
I know in public he'd be fine with it, but it would have to destroy his confidence to be healthy and have the team not trust him in the big games. He's a competitor.
Well if it would destroy his confidence then he needs to find a new job. I don't see how this would even be an issue as the coaches had the confidence in him all year and even after he made some bad dicisions they stuck by him. This is about going with the hot hand and JC is coming off a 4 game loosing streek. If this was mid season then JC would be put back in as starter but its not. The thinking from this point of the season is which QB gives us the best chance to win some games and that is TC. Now I do not have a problem if TC is having a bad game that they put JC back in to try and provide a spark. If we start JC then it will be much tougher to pull him from a game if he is struggling.

skinsguy
12-27-2007, 01:12 PM
Portis himself has started running harder.....During the Minnesota Game I saw him making cuts like he hasn't since he was in Denver.... And those were in the open field.... Alot of things are coming together right now.... ARE ..Moss...Portis...they were all dinged up... Also the Offensive Line is Jelling and getting used to playing together... I will give Collins credit ..he has played well... But He hasnt been Unbelievable or Tom Brady like... The team as a WHOLE has started coming together....Plus I just don't believe a Stater should lose his job to injury...Collins competed for the starting job and lost....

Isn't that how Tom Brady won his starting job? Steve Young? Brett Favre?

irish
12-27-2007, 01:16 PM
Portis himself has started running harder.....During the Minnesota Game I saw him making cuts like he hasn't since he was in Denver.... And those were in the open field.... Alot of things are coming together right now.... ARE ..Moss...Portis...they were all dinged up... Also the Offensive Line is Jelling and getting used to playing together... I will give Collins credit ..he has played well... But He hasnt been Unbelievable or Tom Brady like... The team as a WHOLE has started coming together....Plus I just don't believe a Stater should lose his job to injury...Collins competed for the starting job and lost....

One of the biggest myths in sports is that a starter cant lose his job due to injury.

At this point in time Collins is the better QB.

Monksdown
12-27-2007, 01:21 PM
Collins is the obvious choice. The playoffs are all about the now, and the regular season has the added variable of having to consider development and the future. The playoffs are about NOW. And right now, Todd doesnt throw interceptions. (knock knock)

I think Portis may be getting a bit more breathing room because of Todd Collins mastery of the Al Saunders offense. Which as i remember it from KC, was very good at loosening up the linebackers with a wild variety of screens and slants.

MTK
12-27-2007, 03:13 PM
One of the biggest myths in sports is that a starter cant lose his job due to injury.

At this point in time Collins is the better QB.

I agree, I always thought that was a dumb way of thinking.

If a backup comes in and outperforms the starter, of course the starter can loose his job.

Some of the greatest careers in sports came about because a starter got hurt.

firstdown
12-27-2007, 04:14 PM
Funny how this team seemed to jell when Collins took over. The WR's, running game, O line, and the only thing that really changed was the QB. I'm not saying Collins should be our starter next year and/or JC is not that good I'm just saying that right now TC is getting the job done. So do we want JC who lost his last 4 games as our starter or TC the winner of the past 4 games (assuming we win to get to the playoffs) leading our team. Thats not that tough of a choice if you ask me. We have to go with the hot hand.

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