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SFREDSKIN 12-24-2007, 01:33 PM This is my first post, Ive been hanging around and I love this team and everythting it represents. Ive been sitting on this thought for awhile and I mention it with caution but this seems to be the perfect thread to bring it up. It may be a misread, but since TC has been playing, this offense looks like a different team. Which brings me to my point. Has there been an internal power struggle between Joe and Al regarding the QB'S? If there was, we would never know with internal affairs being so private under Gibbs. Now that Al has his QB in there, it seems to me that there is alot more continuity between Gibbs and the folks upstairs i.e the 12th man call last night. TC is a good QB for this system ,but mysteriously the whole offense looks better. So is it play calling? Which is a two sided coin. If it is play calling, then great lets keep it up. But then again if it is play calling, someone needs to answer for not having Cambell ready to call this offense. To sum it all up, I feel that AL has been holding back with Cambell in a kind of "told you so" way......Just some food for thought, I would like to hear others opinions on this.
They play more conservative with Campbell a young QB learning the system and play to his strengths. Collins knows the playbook inside out and is not as physically talented as Campbell but makes it up with his knowledge and smarts. When Campbell absorbs the whole playbook, I say watch out!!
12thMan 12-24-2007, 01:33 PM This is my first post, Ive been hanging around and I love this team and everythting it represents. Ive been sitting on this thought for awhile and I mention it with caution but this seems to be the perfect thread to bring it up. It may be a misread, but since TC has been playing, this offense looks like a different team. Which brings me to my point. Has there been an internal power struggle between Joe and Al regarding the QB'S? If there was, we would never know with internal affairs being so private under Gibbs. Now that Al has his QB in there, it seems to me that there is alot more continuity between Gibbs and the folks upstairs i.e the 12th man call last night. TC is a good QB for this system ,but mysteriously the whole offense looks better. So is it play calling? Which is a two sided coin. If it is play calling, then great lets keep it up. But then again if it is play calling, someone needs to answer for not having Cambell ready to call this offense. To sum it all up, I feel that AL has been holding back with Cambell in a kind of "told you so" way......Just some food for thought, I would like to hear others opinions on this.
Welcome to the board. And yes, the offense does look mysteriously better or smoother...or something. But it's working is all we know.
I think there has been some internal struggle between Gibbs and Saunders. I think it has more to do with releasing JC and less to do with their respective egos.
CooleyFanOV 12-24-2007, 01:35 PM Duplicate Post.... Moderator delete
Rajmahal33 12-24-2007, 01:40 PM This is my first post, Ive been hanging around and I love this team and everythting it represents. Ive been sitting on this thought for awhile and I mention it with caution but this seems to be the perfect thread to bring it up. It may be a misread, but since TC has been playing, this offense looks like a different team. Which brings me to my point. Has there been an internal power struggle between Joe and Al regarding the QB'S? If there was, we would never know with internal affairs being so private under Gibbs. Now that Al has his QB in there, it seems to me that there is alot more continuity between Gibbs and the folks upstairs i.e the 12th man call last night. TC is a good QB for this system ,but mysteriously the whole offense looks better. So is it play calling? Which is a two sided coin. If it is play calling, then great lets keep it up. But then again if it is play calling, someone needs to answer for not having Cambell ready to call this offense. To sum it all up, I feel that AL has been holding back with Cambell in a kind of "told you so" way......Just some food for thought, I would like to hear others opinions on this.
Bienvenidos, I think it's a fair point to bring up, but I don't agree that Saunders actively hindered Campbell's progress as if to prove a point or get his way. I think it was more of a side effect of Campbell's inexperience, lack of chemistry with the WR's (due to ongoing injuries), and the teams we played in the beginning of the season as opposed to recently. Also don't underestimate the power of Taylor's memory.
BleedBurgundy 12-24-2007, 02:21 PM And I can't help but wonder what our prospects would be if Campbell were still at the helm knowing what a turnover machine he's been.
JC is not a turnover machine. He's played somewhat like a qb who's in his first full year of starting. This is not Patrick Ramsey we're talking about. That said, I think that the combination of him learning more and more of the playbook and seeing TC run the offense well will help him understand how to play.
JC is not a turnover machine. He's played somewhat like a qb who's in his first full year of starting. This is not Patrick Ramsey we're talking about. That said, I think that the combination of him learning more and more of the playbook and seeing TC run the offense well will help him understand how to play.
Agreed.
I think JC gave us exactly what we should have expected from a first year starter.
He's right on the edge, I think next year we'll start to see that breakthrough.
4mrusmc 12-24-2007, 03:38 PM I liked the fire in Gibbs' eyes last night. The play calling was spot on the first half and adequate in the second half. This team is on the verge of something special this season, but it still has some unfinished buisness to attend to this Sunday. THIS TEAM NEEDS OUR SUPPORT AT FEDEX LIKE NO TEAM HAS YET TO SEE!!! So, 12th man where you at?!? Is this fun or what? Good job Skins, why to make us proud!
CooleyFanOV 12-24-2007, 04:03 PM Yeah...#21 has had a profound effect on all of us....I can only imagine the effect he's had on his teammates and coaches....Its no doubt they are all playing inspired football!
The difference between the two offenses is so stark that its hard for me believe that theres not more to it, then just injuries,inexperience and QB grooming. We are better across the board on offense not just the players. The timing of the calls, the challenges, game speed and overall coaching. The whole ball of wax is improved! Maybe Gibbs plan has been to lull our opponents to sleep. LOL!!!! I dont know what it is and I guess we could sit here and make assumptions all day, whatever it is. Im thrilled!!! If Collins is even partly responsible for this turn around, we have no business even talking about Cambell until next trainning camp!!! Im a huge Cambell fan but at this point Ill take the wins over playing time for our FUTURE star.
skinsfan69 12-24-2007, 06:52 PM Agreed.
I think JC gave us exactly what we should have expected from a first year starter.
He's right on the edge, I think next year we'll start to see that breakthrough.
Let's say Collins takes us to the playoffs, we win a game or two and he performs very well. I'm speculating but what the hell.
Beemnseven 12-26-2007, 12:46 PM JC is not a turnover machine. He's played somewhat like a qb who's in his first full year of starting. This is not Patrick Ramsey we're talking about. That said, I think that the combination of him learning more and more of the playbook and seeing TC run the offense well will help him understand how to play.
First year starting QB or not, he's responsible for 19 turnovers (11 picks, 8 fumbles lost) in 417 passing attempts. That's about a turnover every 22 passes.
Inexperienced or not, he's turning the ball over too much. And there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that there's no three game winning streak with him at quarterback.
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