Coach Gibbs might consider extending stay.

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MTK
12-18-2007, 03:29 PM
I had a man crush on Andre Carter a couple of years ago, and that's paid off nicely. :)

I think there are alot of folks who still need to eat some crow on Andre Carter.

Bill B
12-18-2007, 03:31 PM
Yeah I think people get caught up in the big name whiffs, and don't realize all the good things that he's done personnel wise. The good outnumbers the bad by far, but the big misses are what people remember.

Matty - Gibbs has made some good pickups with late round picks - I guess where I am coming from as far as personel decisions is that Gibbs has made some wiffs on big name players but this outweighs his solid pickups by the fact that it has hurt the cap future of the team as well.

I am of the camp of building through the draft and picking up lots of undrafted/unheralded free agents and lower round picks because as you and many have pointed out executives hit and miss across the board, but at least if you miss with a lower pick or an unheralded free agent the cap consequences are not so great. Also, I think a lot of unproven players tend to play harder than a guy who signs a contract with a $10 million bonus (Brandon Llyod comes to mind as the player who gets the money and becomes a dud) because they want that to see that kind of money as well. I like how the Steelers operate and continuosly reload their team when players who had big years leave to sign huge contracts and the Steelers continue to replace them due to good scouting.

I think everyone needs to include cap management when they grade personnel decision making. Yes the Skins can always use cash to get over their cap problems in the near term, but it puts a heavy strain on picking up extra players and we all see that depth is so important in this league. Cap problems also makes the team restructure a lot of contracts which puts further stain on future salary caps.

To posters out there I ask - are you happy with the way the team's personnel decision making is with concerns to the way the Redskins handle their salary cap? Does anyone out there like to see our Skins $20 million over entering the 2008 salary cap? Do people like to see the Skins constantly have to restructure contracts and put further strain on future salary caps?

irish
12-18-2007, 03:34 PM
I agree with you mostly, however I do fell he will be here next year as coach. I am not so sure I would want him back after the contract is up. I think we should move GW into head coach, let Al run the offense as he sees fit. RUMOR : has Al being let go at the end of the year because Joe does not like the progression of the offense. I dont really like hearing that, as Jason would have to learn a whole new system and there is always growing pains with learning a whole new system. #'s show that Als system is progressive, the first year in the high 20's, 2nd year low 20's to high teens, then the third year is the big jump in the top 10. I want this outfit to show some consistancy. so when Joe decides to call it quits, we keep GW, move Blache to D-cord and let Al run the show on offense.

I'm pretty sure I said he will be back next year.

I really hope GW does not become head coach as i dont realyy think he was all that great when he had that job before and his D has been mediocre this year when they were supposed to be the bedrock of the team. I have also heard Danny does not like GW but puts up with him because Gibbs wants him. I just cant imagine Danny making someone he does not care for the head coach.

MTK
12-18-2007, 03:35 PM
The Skins play the salary cap game better than anyone in the league. So for me no their cap mgmt. doesn't concern me all that much. Since 2000 we've heard of this impending cap doom yet it never seems to come. Why? It's simple, Danny and co. know what they're doing... at least when it comes to working the cap that is.

Bill B
12-18-2007, 03:39 PM
I was expecting Bill Cowher to come coach the Skins in '09 after Gibbs finished his contract. Cowher keeps saying that he will not coach next year, but has not ruled out '09 after his daughter graduates. It seemed like perfect timing for the Skins and Cowher.

That being said, I personally would like to see Gibbs on the sideline as long as he wants. I don't care what all the critics say about the game passing him by. I saw him do it before, I think he still has it in him to do it again.

Manusky - I actually think I'd rather have Kevin Colbert more than Bill Cowher. I think what people need to think about more than the coach is the FO (GM) behind the coach. Unfortunately the Steelers are smart enough to know that good GM's are hard to find and resigned Colbert to a 5 year extension. Here is a story about Colbert and below is qoute from the Steelers owner on Kevin:

"We are very pleased to have Kevin continue as an important member of our front office for years to come," said Steelers president Art Rooney II in a statement. "Obviously, he has played a vital role in our success over the past several years, including the Super Bowl title last season."
Colbert is in charge of the team's football operations, all player personnel and scouting decisions.

Steelers extend Colbert's contract (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06209/709243-66.stm)

Bill B
12-18-2007, 03:42 PM
The Skins play the salary cap game better than anyone in the league. So for me no their cap mgmt. doesn't concern me all that much. Since 2000 we've heard of this impending cap doom yet it never seems to come. Why? It's simple, Danny and co. know what they're doing... at least when it comes to working the cap that is.


But Matty one thing about the cap is that if you continually restructure contracts you put further pressure on the caps in future years - kind of reminds me of the US and the way we deal with the deficit. Yes we can continue to print money and buy our way out of debt for the current year but eventually the US is going to have to pay the piper and deal with the huge debt. So relating to the Skins - yes the Skins can continue to restructure contracts to get under the cap but wouldn't it be nice to not have to constantly have to do this and free up the teams abillity to sign better depth players?

MTK
12-18-2007, 03:45 PM
I'm pretty sure I said he will be back next year.

I really hope GW does not become head coach as i dont realyy think he was all that great when he had that job before and his D has been mediocre this year when they were supposed to be the bedrock of the team. I have also heard Danny does not like GW but puts up with him because Gibbs wants him. I just cant imagine Danny making someone he does not care for the head coach.

How has the D been mediocre this year?

10th overall (19th vs. pass, 9th vs. rush).

12th overall in points given up per game with 20.2.

9th overall in 3rd down conversion % with 38%

They are in the top 1/3 in most major categories. Sorry but that's really not fitting of the definition of mediocre.

Bill B
12-18-2007, 03:51 PM
Also as far as cap management goes I am not positive on how much the Redskins use "likely to be earned incentives", which if a player does not earn it than the incentive actually counts as a cap credit. I would venture to guess that the Skins don't use it that much because they have to often restructure players contracts and all of the players have good agents that minimize these type of incentives and ask for signing bonuses and roster bonuses instead - but the cap experts on this site have a better idea on how much the Skins incorporate these type of incentives into players contracts.

SFREDSKIN
12-18-2007, 03:59 PM
How about an eye for undrafted FA? Heyer, Alexander, Mason, Wilson, Buzbee, Westbrook. We know what Heyer, Alexander and Wilson have done so far and it's only a tiny bit of the iceberg, those guys will get better next year and I wouldn't be surprised if the others on the list make the starting lineup next year. I'll go out on a limb and say that I wouldn't be surprised if we see some pro bowls out of those guys in the future.

redsk1
12-18-2007, 04:00 PM
I would have mixed emotions about Gibbs extending a couple more years. There's nothing more i would like to see than JG leaving the game successfully. I have alot of respect for him and the job he's done this year. Although I feel that some coaching decisions have cost us games this year, i think this team would have folded had anyone else been coaching other than JG.

As for personel decisions...some good and some major blunders. Don't forget 2 years of Brunell. Everybody glosses over that, but it was a major setback watching Brunell play for 2 years.

This team has been so inconsistent i really don't know what to think right now. I hope GW stays w/ the team though and doesn't get lured away. If JG's decides to extend GW might not want to wait around much longer.

GW I believe has overachieved this year, w/ what our team has lost. Safety, starting corners, LB's, etc. A top 10 defense w/ what really amounts to a bunch of no names (no disrespect) is phenomenal.

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