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BDBohnzie 12-13-2007, 01:51 PM This is just Selig's way of pushing blame from his office onto the players and teams. It's incredibly ridiculous how extensive this got. Instead of going into the past, he should have been busier trying to correct the problem going forward. Selig is the guy at the top, and instead of sharing the blame, he's pointing the finger at everyone else.
And what does this report tell us? That a number of players, including those not listed in the report, did steroids or HGH at some point in their careers. At this point, who cares? It's over and done with, and since you cannot go back and test everyone at important points in their career, why waste time figuring out the past, when you can correct it going forward.
I'm still convinced baseball turned a blind eye to the abuse to counter-act the strike and bring the fans back into the seats with 20 game winners that throw 98 mph, or guys who before couldn't hit water falling out of a boat figured out how to hit many long balls for one magical season (yes I'm talking about you Brady Anderson). And now that it became a hot button issue, they are making a big deal out of it and selling out those who "took one for the team." It's a load of bullshit if you ask me.
All parties (Commissioner, Teams, Players) are to blame, however the scapegoats will be listed on this report, and the game will finally be able to move on.
BleedBurgundy 12-13-2007, 02:05 PM http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/12/13/mitchell.report.pdf
That's the link to the .pdf of the Mitchell Report
SmootSmack 12-13-2007, 02:21 PM This is just Selig's way of pushing blame from his office onto the players and teams. It's incredibly ridiculous how extensive this got. Instead of going into the past, he should have been busier trying to correct the problem going forward. Selig is the guy at the top, and instead of sharing the blame, he's pointing the finger at everyone else.
And what does this report tell us? That a number of players, including those not listed in the report, did steroids or HGH at some point in their careers. At this point, who cares? It's over and done with, and since you cannot go back and test everyone at important points in their career, why waste time figuring out the past, when you can correct it going forward.
I'm still convinced baseball turned a blind eye to the abuse to counter-act the strike and bring the fans back into the seats with 20 game winners that throw 98 mph, or guys who before couldn't hit water falling out of a boat figured out how to hit many long balls for one magical season (yes I'm talking about you Brady Anderson). And now that it became a hot button issue, they are making a big deal out of it and selling out those who "took one for the team." It's a load of bullshit if you ask me.
All parties (Commissioner, Teams, Players) are to blame, however the scapegoats will be listed on this report, and the game will finally be able to move on.
Very well put. My sentiments exactly
BDBohnzie 12-13-2007, 02:30 PM Here is what I pulled from the Report that knowingly purchased either anabolics or HGH from one distributor (Names in bold are more well known):
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagné
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan
Here is the list of those who allegedly made internet purchases:
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Darren Holmes
Gary Matthews, Jr.
John Rocker
Scott Schoeneweis
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard
firstdown 12-13-2007, 02:45 PM I hate baseball, so whatever contributes to its downfall is fine with me. Personally, I never understand how so many people had such strong feelings for such a boring ass game. Now, if the NBA can just have similar misfortune, we can worry about getting more soccer coverage stateside!
So you want to replace a boring sport with one that is even more boring to watch.
Was this report paid for by tax payers of MLB? I heard it cost 65mil.
BDBohnzie 12-13-2007, 02:51 PM Ahh see, futbol's near misses are just as exciting, if not more, than the goals themselves. And at 90 minutes, even the shortest of attention spans can watch and entire game.
Portuguese National Cristiano Ronaldo is a midfielder for Manchester United. And while he is well-renown diver, his dribbling skills are rarely matched:
euMu1SKi-ak
redsk1 12-13-2007, 03:48 PM Where's Sosa? Not mentioned.
McGwire? Only talks about andro which was legal at the time.
The bad part we probably don't know about most of the violators. You know there are alot more that aren't named.
drew54 12-13-2007, 04:05 PM I feel the same after seeing the list.
Kind of a let down. There has to have been more. George Mitchell is the worst detective ever.
firstdown 12-13-2007, 04:27 PM Ahh see, futbol's near misses are just as exciting, if not more, than the goals themselves. And at 90 minutes, even the shortest of attention spans can watch and entire game.
Portuguese National Cristiano Ronaldo is a midfielder for Manchester United. And while he is well-renown diver, his dribbling skills are rarely matched:
euMu1SKi-ak
Wow, that makes me want to get some of these on pay per view and watch them run up and down the field all day missing goals. I'm not knocking you and know its a big sport around the world but I cannot get into it.
DynamiteRave 12-13-2007, 04:51 PM It sucks Brian Roberts is on there. He's one of my favorite players.
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