Why All The Hate Toward The Patriots?

I think you are over simplifying.
99% of all college QB's are not ready to play at a high level when they first arrive in the NFL. Marino and Roethlisberger are the only two that come to mind that came in with a bang.. IT takes time to develop them to the level that is required to be great in the NFL. Montana, Bradshaw, Aikman, Manning were not very successful their first couple of years. In fact they really sucked. With COACHING and learning the pro system they became great. They had to work at it. Nobody wanted Brady coming out of college.
Which brings me to another point. I think the offensive system each QB plays in makes a big difference. Montana playing under Walsh and his great system helped him. Well Bellicheck pretty much ran the same system until this year when he started to play more of the 3 and 4 wr system.

I know what you're saying, and I agree with you. However, those great quarterbacks would have still been great with lesser coaches -- they just wouldn't have been as successful, IMO. Does that make sense?

I really admire the Patriots as a football team on the field, just as I admire ExxonMobil or Walmart in business. They are effective, produce results, and are ruthless wth their competition. They do everything they can to achieve a competitive advantage and exploit every possible weakness of their opponent. These traits are admirable in many ways.

However, just as I can't stand ExxonMobil or Walmart, I can't stand the Patriots. Despite their performance, playing the part of the big bully in the room rarely endears you to anyone, and the arrogance, smugness, and general spitefullness for anyone who dares criticize them, not to mentior the rules of the game is a real turn-off.

Since football is entertainment, we expect more from the teams that ruthless efficiency on the field. We expect players to abide by the rules of society (Vick), we expect courtesy and openness to the media (again, this is entertainment we are talking about here), and most of all we expect gratitude for the tremendous gift that WE THE FANS, have bestowed on these players and coaches to be able to play a game for asinine amounts of money. Gratitude manifests itself in the form of courtesy, humility, and access. If these expectations are not met, then many paying customers (myself included) don't appreciate it and hence, the backlash against the Patriots.

This argument that Belichick is somehow a good coach, but not a great one is absurd. Putting personal feelings aside for a minute, you can't argue with three Super Bowls and a fourth one around the corner.

I'll go a step further, here's a guy that lost both his defensive and offensive coordinator in the same year and didn't miss a beat. Loss one of the best field goal kickers of all time, and he still wins.

The fact is both Belichick and Brady have mutually benefited from each other. I really think it's that simple.

I agree. I do think Belichick is a great coach. I'm just not so sure he is a great person, and that is where the hate for the Pats is derived, IMO.

I credit Belichick for making the Pats great, but I don't give him credit for making Brady great. I'll credit him for finding him, and drafting him (although I'm not sure if he deserves more credit than the Pats FO).

If great QBs are made great by coaching, and not born that way, you'd have a lot more stories like Brady's. Granted there are other Cinderella stories, but not many.

I know what you're saying, and I agree with you. However, those great quarterbacks would have still been great with lesser coaches -- they just wouldn't have been as successful, IMO. Does that make sense?

True, Ghetto. But even that is subjective to an extent. Brady may or may not be this good without Belichick. What isn't subjective, however, are Belichick's championships.

I never said that he made Brady great. I said he picked him up in the draft when all the other coaches had passed him over. Others have said that Brady has made the Pats what they are and my point that great coaches find these types of players and he should get that credit.

Yeah, my post wasn't directed at you, per se. I was just stating my opinion on the matter.

Like 12th said, "they have mutually benefited from each other."

True, Ghetto. But even that is subjective to an extent. Brady may or may not be this good without Belichick. What isn't subjective, however, are Belichick's championships.

What I am basically saying is: take Brady and put him on the 49ers. Would he be successful? Probably not. Would he lose his "greatness"? I don't think so. It's a team after all, and one guy alone can't do it.

This begs the question: would Brady be as great as he is today, if he were drafted to the 49ers? We'll never know, but I believe he would be -- he just wouldn't be able to show it.

Bottomline: Coaches need good QBs, QBs need good coaches and good teammates. Everyone needs each other.

I'm sorry, but I can't give Belichick too much credit for Brady. I'm of the opinion that great quarterbacks have intangibles that can't be taught, and coaching has less of an impact on their performance than their god-given abilities do.

I think the great quarterbacks like Montana, Bradshaw, Marino, Aikman, Manning and Brady are great, and would have been great, regardless of their coach. They might have been less successful with lesser coaches, but they still would have been great.

Give Belichick credit for making the Pats great, but don't give him credit for making Brady great. Afterall, if Belichick knew he was so great, why did it require an injury to Bledsoe to put him in?

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So let me ask you this. If Joe Gibbs was coaching the Pats, do you think they would be running the type of offense they do? HELL NO. Gibbs would be saying, "we need balance." Although BB does not call the plays, he lets Brady spread it out and throw it all over the field. How many coaches would let Brady do that? Not too many cause they don't have the balls that BB does.

Last week NE got the ball on their own 1 yard line, got in shotgun and passed the ball every single play for a 99 yard drive. Sorry but Gibbs or alot of other coaches would come out in a 4 TE set and try and run the ball to give the punter more room and play field position. Gibbs wouldn't even think about getting 7 points backed up in his own territory. BB allows Brady to play with such an aggressive offensive attack and he has to get credit for that cause alot other coaches would never play with that style.

I agree. I do think Belichick is a great coach. I'm just not so sure he is a great person, and that is where the hate for the Pats is derived, IMO.

I credit Belichick for making the Pats great, but I don't give him credit for making Brady great. I'll credit him for finding him, and drafting him (although I'm not sure if he deserves more credit than the Pats FO).

If great QBs are made great by coaching, and not born that way, you'd have a lot more stories like Brady's. Granted there are other Cinderella stories, but not many.

Well, I do think you have to give Belichick some credit for developing Brady into a great quarterback. I don't think that is beyond reasonble. Many here, not you Ghetto, would like to believe the draft gods somehow smiled on Belichick and...poof...Brady appeared with all this Hall of Fame potential.

Make no mistake, Bill Belichick has taught Tom Brady a great deal about the game; how to recognize defenses, football mechanics and such. Some may defer to Weis on this, I beg to differ. Brady didn't possess this at Michigan, at least not on a professional level. As far as raw skill, competitive fire, leadership and other intangibles, those are all Tom Brady's.

I also believe that Bill Belichick has fostered and created an environment in New England for all of those raw skills to flourish and cause Tom Brady to play at a very high level. If nothing else, the fact the Brady was drafted in the sixth round and not the first, could be the best thing that happened to him career wise. He was allowed to fly under the radar, unlike most first round picks, and actually focus on football and getting better instead of answering dumb ass questions week to week whether he's happy being a back-up. These things go a very long way in impacting a quarterback's developement. It's not all X's and O's.

As much as I wanted to see Jason Campbell start the week Mark Brunell broke the completion record, the time he spent on the bench will serve him well in the future.

What I am basically saying is: take Brady and put him on the 49ers. Would he be successful? Probably not. Would he lose his "greatness"? I don't think so. It's a team after all, and one guy alone can't do it.

This begs the question: would Brady be as great as he is today, if he were drafted to the 49ers? We'll never know, but I believe he would be -- he just wouldn't be able to show it.

Bottomline: Coaches need good QBs, QBs need good coaches and good teammates. Everyone needs each other.

The timing is downright eery...

What's your pet peeve? (http://www.redskinswarpath.com/parking-lot/17738-whats-your-pet-peeve-8.html#post392740)

@skinsfan69: The Pats offense this year is the most aggressive offense I have ever seen. Granted I'm only 25, but I think it's safe to say that it's one of the most aggressive offenses of all time. Belichick and the other Pats coaches deserve all the credit for that. However, I think having a QB like Brady allows you to do that. Everyone wants Gibbs to do the same thing with Campbell, but it's not realistic -- at least not to the same degree as the Pats.

@12thMan: Yes, Belichick deserves a lot of credit for helping Brady mature, and teaching him about the game. I just don't think he is what makes Brady great. Like you said: they make each other great.

Does anybody believe Belichick could take another 6th round QB and turn him into Brady? There's just no way.