Collins & Saunders

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GTripp0012
12-10-2007, 12:35 AM
SO, what if Collins continues to play amazingly, we win out, make the playoffs, and then Jason is healthy to play the first playoff game? What then?It depends on how healthy.

If he's close to 100%, you go back to Jason. If he isn't, Collins gets the call.

GMScud
12-10-2007, 12:41 AM
It depends on how healthy.

If he's close to 100%, you go back to Jason. If he isn't, Collins gets the call.

I just made a post on this in the "If we win the next three games thread." I'd love to hear your opinion.

jamf
12-10-2007, 01:19 AM
I'm actually a little pissed that Al's been holding back on the play calling because JC was in there. If he's the guy, then he's the guy. Call the best gameplan to win, not whatever percentage of your "genius" playbook that you think he can handle. That really irritates me.

I agree!

I'm all for a guy getting experience but there is a difference between a young player learning to play at gamespeed and a guy who just can't run all the plays.

If JC can't run all the plays, He shouldn't be in there.
I don't understand how this organization can begin a season running a limited playbook.

HOGTIMUS PRIME
12-10-2007, 03:27 AM
I agree!

I'm all for a guy getting experience but there is a difference between a young player learning to play at gamespeed and a guy who just can't run all the plays.

If JC can't run all the plays, He shouldn't be in there.
I don't understand how this organization can begin a season running a limited playbook.

Gibbs has final say who QB's, unfortunately it also seems his QB's haven't come close to showing their capable of understanding Saunders offense. I don't think it's Saunders who is looking to hold back on the other QB's to get his own guy in there because of his ego as was stated in an earlier post, [pretty hard to imagine that] but it's more to do with the ability in a QB's mind to be able to apply his system, which apparently Collins is the only guy at least right now who has a clue.

To many guys have been bashing our receivers this season, well, have they been holding back as well waiting for Collins to step in? Kind of ironic that the second Collins takes over we have WR's open all over the field, that is no coincidence, Collins knows how to find an open receiver, hopefully consistently.

SmootSmack
12-10-2007, 03:35 AM
Gibbs has final say who QB's, unfortunately it also seems his QB's haven't come close to showing their capable of understanding Saunders offense. I don't think it's Saunders who is looking to hold back on the other QB's to get his own guy in there because of his ego as was stated in an earlier post, [pretty hard to imagine that] but it's more to do with the ability in a QB's mind to be able to apply his system, which apparently Collins is the only guy at least right now who has a clue.

To many guys have been bashing our receivers this season, well, have they been holding back as well waiting for Collins to step in? Kind of ironic that the second Collins takes over we have WR's open all over the field, that is no coincidence, Collins knows how to find an open receiver, hopefully consistently.

If you're referring to my post, I think you misunderstood me.

MTK
12-10-2007, 08:21 AM
Vermeil seems to agree that holding back on JC has been the right call:

Lost in the debate over whether the offense is Gibbs's or Saunders's is the singular goal of developing Campbell into a consistent winner. And if that is a franchise's stated objective, there is no way Saunders's entire arsenal was ever going to be unveiled this season or last.

"It was too much for Campbell or any young quarterback," Vermeil said. "The volume is so great. Joe Gibbs and Al Saunders did the right thing -- restrict the package to fit his maturity. They aren't running the entire offense right now. Watch. At the start of next season, Jason will be much better than he is now because he'll get more reps in this offense."

Time in this offense is the only remedy, which Collins's has seven years' worth of learning and practicing.

FRPLG
12-10-2007, 09:14 AM
SO, what if Collins continues to play amazingly, we win out, make the playoffs, and then Jason is healthy to play the first playoff game? What then?

Campbell is our QB is healthy. Any other decision is a major mistake in my judgement. He is the long term answer and enough of learning on the sidelines. Maybe Collins knows the offense very well but something tells me that if they'd run the offense the same way with Campbell by now he'd be pretty proficient at it.

MTK
12-10-2007, 09:47 AM
I think it depends on how Collins plays. If he continues to play the way he did against the Bears and assuming we win out, I think you have to stick with Collins the remainder of the year even if JC is ready to come back.

12thMan
12-10-2007, 10:40 AM
I agree. If we win out and Collins is at the helm, I think you have to stick with him. Also, it seems like the players are already confident in his abilities and leadership.

rickmmrr
12-10-2007, 10:49 AM
If Collins lights it up you stick with Collins. JC is still thinking too much instead of it being second nature. Having to think about the play slows you down just enough to mess it up. In the Bears game notice how quick Collins made decisions. I'm sure JC will get that in time.

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