Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?

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flashalexb
12-05-2007, 10:08 PM
An article by CBS sportsline that talks about their oppinions on Joe Gibbs.

National Football League - CBSSports.com (http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10514290/rss)

They bring up some valid points.

SFREDSKIN
12-05-2007, 10:12 PM
Those guy are IDIOTS!! He should do neither, we need him to come back and finish the job. If next year is like this, then he can retire.

Schneed10
12-05-2007, 10:26 PM
With coaching, the question for me always comes down to this: is there someone available who can do the job better?

I'm up in the air on that. In order to do better next season, I think a degree of continuity is required amongst the coaching staff. If GW takes over as head coach, and Saunders stays as OC, then I'd probably be alright with it. But if we're talking about bringing in a Bill Cowher, or someone else who will likely totally revamp the staff and the offensive and defensive systems, then that's foolish.

Gibbs definitely doesn't seem to have his act together. How good can the communication process between Gibbs and GW be if Gibbs doesn't even know about the 10-man tribute? How can an NFL coach not know the two timeout rule on icing kickers? How can somebody with such a killer instinct in his first stint play things so conservative now in the 2nd half of games?

That said, I think he's still probably one of the better coaches in the league, even though he's clearly not what he was. So getting rid of him is not the answer for me, unless the organization REALLY thinks GW could do a better job. Hiring someone else would be the worst case scenario for me.

GMScud
12-05-2007, 10:37 PM
Both Prisco (overall MORON) and Judge are basing their argument almost entirely on overall record. And that's not totally wrong. Bottom line, as far as W's and L's are concerned Gibbs hasn't gotten it done this time around.

At least Judge can bring up how hard he's worked. At least Judge can reinforce his overall record argument by referencing HOW we've lost and keep losing these agonizing, close games. That said, I'm not sure where he's going by calling us "unfixable." We lose shitty, but I think we're on our way to being fixed.

SFREDSKIN
12-05-2007, 10:40 PM
Gibbs definitely doesn't seem to have his act together. How good can the communication process between Gibbs and GW be if Gibbs doesn't even know about the 10-man tribute? How can an NFL coach not know the two timeout rule on icing kickers? How can somebody with such a killer instinct in his first stint play things so conservative now in the 2nd half of games?

Has anybody given it some thought as to what's going on in Joe's head? Grandson diagnosed with lukemia, team swamped with key injuries, your best player gets murdered in the middle of the season. How would most of you guys that criticize Gibbs react if that happen to you? To boot a lot of the media and fans chant Joe must go. I think this man deserves more than a break, such as letting him fulfill his contract. You can't compare Joe with Cowher, Williams, Phillips, etc. none of those guys could do what Joe has done in his career even if it was in the past. We all wanted him to comeback? Didn't we? Then lets give him the decency of fulfilling his contract and then post this kind of posts if he fails.

Schneed10
12-05-2007, 10:49 PM
Has anybody given it some thought as to what's going on in Joe's head? Grandson diagnosed with lukemia, team swamped with key injuries, your best player gets murdered in the middle of the season. How would most of you guys that criticize Gibbs react if that happen to you? To boot a lot of the media and fans chant Joe must go. I think this man deserves more than a break, such as letting him fulfill his contract. You can't compare Joe with Cowher, Williams, Phillips, etc. none of those guys could do what Joe has done in his career even if it was in the past. We all wanted him to comeback? Didn't we? Then lets give him the decency of fulfilling his contract and then post this kind of posts if he fails.

Re the bolded part, Joe Gibbs has shown that he can't even do what Joe Gibbs has done in the past.

You keep harping on the great accomplishments of Joe Gibbs, but with four seasons in the books, proof's in the pudding at this point.

Now I'm not saying can him now, but I'm only saying that because I don't see candidates out there that would be a better fit or would do a better job. By default, that means I still hold him in decent regard to other coaches available.

But you're giving him carte blanche because he won Super Bowls in the 80s and 90s. I love him for those wins, but he has proven to be mediocre in the last four years. While I love looking back on the past, I'm not thrilled with the prospect of seeing the team mired in mediocrity for the foreseeable future.

In the end, I'm on the same page as you, but for different reasons. Keep him next year for continuity's sake. But I'm not super thrilled with him as our head coach right now.

SmootSmack
12-05-2007, 10:55 PM
Has anybody given it some thought as to what's going on in Joe's head? Grandson diagnosed with lukemia, team swamped with key injuries, your best player gets murdered in the middle of the season. How would most of you guys that criticize Gibbs react if that happen to you? To boot a lot of the media and fans chant Joe must go. I think this man deserves more than a break, such as letting him fulfill his contract. You can't compare Joe with Cowher, Williams, Phillips, etc. none of those guys could do what Joe has done in his career even if it was in the past. We all wanted him to comeback? Didn't we? Then lets give him the decency of fulfilling his contract and then post this kind of posts if he fails.

I love Gibbs. The biggest reason (next to my brother) that I became and remain a Redskins fan. However, apart from the murder of Taylor, who are we to say other coaches don't deal with adversity in their personal lives beyond injuries on the field? Take Tony Dungy losing his son to a suicide for example, or Andy Reid's issues with his kids.

GMScud
12-05-2007, 10:58 PM
I love Gibbs. The biggest reason (next to my brother) that I became and remain a Redskins fan. However, apart from the murder of Taylor, who are we to say other coaches don't deal with adversity in their personal lives beyond injuries on the field? Take Tony Dungy losing his son to a suicide for example, or Andy Reid's issues with his kids.

Yeah, I mean who in life hasn't or won't go through adversity off the field/off the job at some point in their life? I don't think we should give the man a pass just because he's dealt with some tough times. I'm not saying Taylor's murder and his grandson's leukemia aren't awful things, but I don't think we can make excuses for his performance as a head coach because of them.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
12-05-2007, 10:59 PM
That said, I'm not sure where he's going by calling us "unfixable."

Either Prisco is a total idiot for saying we are "unfixable," or he is inarticulate because he doesn't really mean what he writes.

DynamiteRave
12-05-2007, 11:02 PM
He'll probably hang it up after his contract expires (I'm not gonna act like I know when that is cause I don't, so someone please inform me of when it does). I'm not a backer of Gibbs 2.0 but there's no denying that Gibbs knows his stuff. Synder grew up a Skins fan so there's no chance in hell of him kicking Gibbs to the curb. Gibbs is going to hang it up when he knows he has nothing left to give as a coach or when he feels he's done an adequate job. So there's no point in what if's.

Gibbs is here to stay.

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