Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?

No. What I am describing is an attitude among the fans that it's never the fault of the players. Why should they care how they play when they know that they can turn the ball over 6 times and people will still spend the whole week talking about Gibbs decision to go for it on 4th and 1? For that matter, why should they care wether or not they even get the 4th and 1? We can have all these Fire Gibbs! threads, they are unavoidable. What boggles my mind is why there aren't an equal number of threads directed at players. There are people in here still defending Brandon Lloyd, for crying out loud.

Also, he cut Walter Rasby mid-season in 2004.
I think just about everyplayer on this team has had a bash them thread except for I think Cooley. The problem is we have ran out of players to bash and now its falling on the coaching staff and most of all Timeout, Timeout Gibbs. Sorry I had to do that.

That's the point Stacks, he doesn't really have to do anything for us. He just has to guide the team, keep them on the right track, and let the players do the winning.

The cold hard facts are that in our injured state, we've played one of the three toughest schedules in the league. While we missed a few crucial chances to turn 5-7 into 7-5 with average luck (or even better than 7-5 with great fortune), you can't say we haven't played at least 7 games where we were outtalented. Think about it: Philadelphia twice, Dallas, New England, Tampa, Green Bay, and arguably the Giants. When the team is beset by injuries and mediocre overall talent, then the expectation for winning is tampered.

To all but you apparently.

while the coaches can't really be held accountable for injuries (though some suggest they should be, to a degree) I would argue that dead cap space spent on players on Gibbs' wish list aren't helping the situation...

I also do not believe that on an individual level we are less talented than the Bucs and Phili. The Packers are good, but i think they are just playing great as a team, less an individual thing...we have more talent.
the giants have talent, and I'd probably put us on even level with them talent wise..they have better D-lineman for sure though.

I think just about everyplayer on this team has had a bash them thread except for I think Cooley. The problem is we have ran out of players to bash and now its falling on the coaching staff and most of all Timeout, Timeout Gibbs. Sorry I had to do that.

No you didn't. And I really don't think we "bash" players nearly enough. We don't even "bash" the other coaches. But hey, it is what it is. I hope to one day be as successful as Gibbs has been in his career so everyone can try to knock me down as well.

firstdown - Antonio Brown, and he was brought back and was a key during that stretch in '05 (91 yard kickoff return for TD against Cards in Week 14)

As far as Gibbs is concerned, he has a 5 year contract, let him honor that.

As far as the players are concerned, I think it's a 2 way street. Execution has certainly been lacking this year (5 4th quarter leads blown). However, it's the coaches that prepare the players to execute their plays. And while it is up to the players on game day to execute, it's up to the coaches to make sure these guys are able to execute 100% of the time. There is something amiss between the coaches and players...

Or is it amiss between one coach and another? Where in this dysfunctional relationship between Gibbs and Saunders is there a leak? It's quite obvious that Saunders is an offensive genius, considering the success he had with the Rams and Chiefs. It's also quite obvious that Gibbs 1.0 had a very successful offense. I know they say Gibbs is hands off when it comes to the offense, and Saunders has been quoted as playing conservative because of the defense's success. However, at what point do both of these men say it's time to open it up a bit? The Chiefs had the #1 offense with Eddie Kennison and Tony Gonzalez catching passes. There is no reason to not think the personnel the Skins have cannot have the same success. Are injuries to this team really that devastating?

There are so many factors that go into this whole process. The bottom line is looking forward to next year, will the fruits of their labor finally come to fruition. This team is extremely close to being successful (5-7 could easily be anywhere from 10-2 to 8-4 based on 4th quarter leads), will everything click next year? Or will another mediocre season come about, with Joe stepping aside, and another year or 2 of transition?

Everyone complains about the "last 4 years" Did Joe not take us to the playoffs his second year here? Did he win a playoff game against TB with an old QB? Ok, so we failed last season, this season so far is no better, but if you look at what this team has been through this year, you would understand and yes, I am using injuries as an excuse. I don't know if we'll make the playoffs this year, but I can guarantee you that if Joe comes back next year, they could go all the way. We need a dominant WR, DE, a few backup OL, DB, S. All this can be addressed thru the draft and free agency. Our WR's haven't been effective due to injury, Moss, ARE and Thrash have been injured all year and not been able to produce as they should, OL has been injured and in shambles. Tell me an NFL team with the # of key injuries that we had that would be able to win? The Colts have had some injuries and have struggled but not the # of injuries as us plus they have Peyton Manning. That's my rant.

while the coaches can't really be held accountable for injuries (though some suggest they should be, to a degree) I would argue that dead cap space spent on players on Gibbs' wish list aren't helping the situation...

I also do not believe that on an individual level we are less talented than the Bucs and Phili. The Packers are good, but i think they are just playing great as a team, less an individual thing...we have more talent.
the giants have talent, and I'd probably put us on even level with them talent wise..they have better D-lineman for sure though.

I agree with you on this one. I think our talent level is better than both the Bucs and Philly. And not not that far behind, if at all, the Packers and the Giants.

IF Gibbs won't stop whacking the knees of our top players when they're not looking, throwing thumbtacks in the shower before Santana Moss gets in and putting butter on Campbell's warm-up footballs, then yes, he should be fired.

No you didn't. And I really don't think we "bash" players nearly enough. We don't even "bash" the other coaches. But hey, it is what it is. I hope to one day be as successful as Gibbs has been in his career so everyone can try to knock me down as well.

What is the equivilant in your business of winning 3 Lombardis and (is it?) 3 cups?

What is the equivilant in your business of winning 3 Lombardis and (is it?) 3 cups?

I have no idea

I have no idea

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