Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?

Either Prisco is a total idiot for saying we are "unfixable," or he is inarticulate because he doesn't really mean what he writes.

It was actually Clark Judge who called us "unfixable." Which is kind of surprising because he makes a pretty decent argument right up until that point. It's something I would expect to hear from Prisco.

Yeah, I mean who in life hasn't or won't go through adversity off the field/off the job at some point in their life? I don't think we should give the man a pass just because he's dealt with some tough times. I'm not saying Taylor's murder and his grandson's leukemia aren't awful things, but I don't think we can make excuses for his performance as a head coach because of them.

In fact, I'll go one step further, if little Taylor's health is expected to be a continuing problem, and Joe Gibbs is having trouble dealing with the adversity, then that's MORE reason to get rid of him, not less reason.

That said, I don't think Gibbs is having trouble dealing with adversity at all. I think he's great at that part. He's great at focusing, and he's FANTASTIC at bringing men together through a tragedy like the Taylor situation. But he has not been good at establishing a running game that can run out the clock in the second half like he prefers to, and he has not been good at adjusting his strategy in the second half to make up for the fact that his run game isn't great. He also has not been good with clock/game management. In the end, those are the things contributing to our 5-7 record, not his grandson. He's trying his damndest, and he's focusing all he can. In the end, it's not getting done.

In fact, I'll go one step further, if little Taylor's health is expected to be a continuing problem, and Joe Gibbs is having trouble dealing with the adversity, then that's MORE reason to get rid of him, not less reason.

That said, I don't think Gibbs is having trouble dealing with adversity at all. I think he's great at that part. He's great at focusing, and he's FANTASTIC at bringing men together through a tragedy like the Taylor situation. But he has not been good at establishing a running game that can run out the clock in the second half like he prefers to, and he has not been good at adjusting his strategy in the second half to make up for the fact that his run game isn't great. He also has not been good with clock/game management. In the end, those are the things contributing to our 5-7 record, not his grandson. He's trying his damndest, and he's focusing all he can. In the end, it's not getting done.

Agreed. And the thing is, he may be dealing with the adversity wonderfully as a man. But football coaches are measured with wins and losses. So people may say he couldn't cope. It may not be true, but it's all about those wins.

Your sig is funny by the way.

I do want to make sure I'm being fair to Gibbs. He's had to deal with some ridiculous injuries. Jansen and Thomas are the biggest, IMO. They're absolutely huge. With those two guys playing, I'll bet we have enough of a run game in the 2nd half to win at least two of those games in which we saw a collapse. So that explains some of it.

That said, the game management and the 2nd half adjustments have not been good. Without Jansen and Thomas, knowing our running game isn't great, we should be adjusting strategy. And since he's team president as well, he's responsible for finding depth that can fill in adequately. You have to do one of two things, either acquire the depth necessary in the offseasons to keep running the ball in the 2nd half when your star linemen get hurt, or shift your strategy. If you can't succeed at either one, then you're failing. Hence 5-7.

Has anyone ever thought that it isn't entirely Gibbs fault. I mean, who turns over the ball constantly in the final quarters of EVERY game??? The players!!! lol.

Yeah, I mean who in life hasn't or won't go through adversity off the field/off the job at some point in their life? I don't think we should give the man a pass just because he's dealt with some tough times. I'm not saying Taylor's murder and his grandson's leukemia aren't awful things, but I don't think we can make excuses for his performance as a head coach because of them.

We were better off with Bill Musgrave :)

....I'm up in the air on that. In order to do better next season, I think a degree of continuity is required amongst the coaching staff. If GW takes over as head coach, and Saunders stays as OC, then I'd probably be alright with it.......

Gibbs definitely doesn't seem to have his act together. How good can the communication process between Gibbs and GW be if Gibbs doesn't even know about the 10-man tribute? How can an NFL coach not know the two timeout rule on icing kickers? How can somebody with such a killer instinct in his first stint play things so conservative now in the 2nd half of games?

Obviously the Head Coach takes the heat when a team is losing, especially the way we have since 2005 (excluding the 6 game run at the end of 2005). But I think a majority of the blame is on the coordinators. IMO since Gibbs returned he has been more of a "manager" similar to what he was doing in NASCAR. I think he has "empowered" his coordinators (not sure what level with Saunders) and they have made bad decisions and not produced. Gibbs is not going to throw these guys under the bus even if it means he retires because of their poor performance. Regarding the 10-man tribute, GW should have made sure Gibbs knew what was happening, if he didn't, it is disrespectful and shows what type of ego GW has. I don't think many of us would make a major decision that would effect our companies, in the public eye, without our management knowing what we were planning to do, if we did we wouldn't be employed very long. I also know for a fact that coordinators at the high school or college level wouldn't make this type of move without the Head Coach knowing about it.

I've said this before, if Gibbs steps away he should move into the front office and get rid of GW. Bring in a new HC (defensive minded) and give Saunders a year with complete control of the offense as OC. If Saunders doesn't like it then get a new OC also. Continuity is important if you see the organization moving in a postive direction with the right building blocks in place. With Gibbs off the sidelines and GW / Saunders running the show, IMO that would be a step backwards.

if this was anyone else we'd all be calling for his head. i love gibbs to death but enough is enough. i hope he retires. it's almost getting painful to watch. he's just not a good nfl coach anymore. sometimes the truth hurts.

if this was anyone else we'd all be calling for his head. i love gibbs to death but enough is enough. i hope he retires. he's just not a good nfl coach anymore. sometimes the truth hurts.

I think the biggest problem is that no one can pinpoint what exactly he does. I mean he says he doesn't call the plays on offense, other than 4th down decisions. Yet people are on his case all the time about playcalling. He has input on defense and special teams but it's more of a consultancy role.

I think the biggest problem is that no one can pinpoint what exactly he does. I mean he says he doesn't call the plays on offense, other than 4th down decisions. Yet people are on his case all the time about playcalling. He has input on defense and special teams but it's more of a consultancy role.

Here is where he does or could have input. Sending in that silly ass jumbo package that never ever works on the goaline or in the redzone. None of the guys on the field are a threat to score except Cooley and the RB. As the head coach, and a man who was king, I mean king of halftime adjustments and innovative offense, he should change it up and try something else. There is no excuse for that. Bringing in all the heavy guys is just bunching up everything and the line can't create any holes. Yet he still sends it in, or even worse allows it to be sent in. That's just dumb ass coaching. If I could pin point one area where he has failed this is it. It has costed us games this year and he has not made any adjustments at all.