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rstone1979 12-04-2007, 04:55 PM I love Campbell and all I want is to see him succeed and think he will be a good qb but it is taking some time. I look at the worthless Tony Homo and wonder if Jason should be at that level being that he has had about the same amount of starts as Homo. I cannot stand Homo but I really wish that Campbell could have the success he is having. I would not in any way want Homo over Campbell but was wondering if he should be further along in his progression?
firstdown 12-04-2007, 04:57 PM Our line play was really bad last Sunday but has not been all that bad this year even with all of our injuries. He has lost several fumbles where the defender would not have had a sack and just was able to knock the ball loose. he has had several fumbles while running and added another last week. Our team is averaging 2.33 fumbles per game thats 28 for the year and loosing 1.25 per game. Thats if I did the math right.
28 fumbles divided by 12 games=2.33
15 lost fumbles divided by 12 games=1.25
I love Campbell and all I want is to see him succeed and think he will be a good qb but it is taking some time. I look at the worthless Tony Homo and wonder if Jason should be at that level being that he has had about the same amount of starts as Homo. I cannot stand Homo but I really wish that Campbell could have the success he is having. I would not in any way want Homo over Campbell but was wondering if he should be further along in his progression?
Romo is a 5 year vet, JC is in his 3rd year.
Some people here don't think that the two extra years on the bench gives Romo an advantage, but I say it definitely does.
Cowell 12-04-2007, 05:05 PM I know that ESPN and everyone else who covers the NFL drills this and makes such a big deal out of this but it is true... Tony Romo improvises and MAKES things happen. If his receivers aren't open and the pocket is collapsing you will never see Tony stand in there and take a hit. He moves around until someone gets open and he throws it. He has great football instincts. That is what makes him more successful than Campbell. I'm not saying Campbell is a better play but he just doesen't feel the pocket like Romo does. As for Tony's bench time compared to Jason's I don't think it matters much because Tony has a skill that can't really be coached.
redsk1 12-04-2007, 05:17 PM I agree, the offensive line has a lot to do with the fumbling issue. Sometimes Campbell almost seems too calm in the pocket, maybe its just me but he doesnt seem to have that sense of urgency when it really counts. He has also been making very poor decisions late in games for us, sometimes multiple times in one game.
With the way Gibbs likes to play games i dont see us winning a lot of close ones unless Campbell learns how to finish. On another note you said "there's only one way to go and thats up" dude, ive been saying that for years though, when the hell is it going to go up for us.
Good point, I was specifically alluding to the oline play this year though. I can't get much worse than it has been.
redsk1 12-04-2007, 05:21 PM I know that ESPN and everyone else who covers the NFL drills this and makes such a big deal out of this but it is true... Tony Romo improvises and MAKES things happen. If his receivers aren't open and the pocket is collapsing you will never see Tony stand in there and take a hit. He moves around until someone gets open and he throws it. He has great football instincts. That is what makes him more successful than Campbell. I'm not saying Campbell is a better play but he just doesen't feel the pocket like Romo does. As for Tony's bench time compared to Jason's I don't think it matters much because Tony has a skill that can't really be coached.
Unfortunately, there only a couple of QB's in the NFL that are better than Romo right now. You're right, his mobility and his improvising makes him very tough to defend. Add that w/ good talent, maybe great talent around him and you've got yourself a dominant team.
Paintrain 12-04-2007, 05:24 PM Yes, but is it any coincidence that the Jags look so good with Garrard, who is taking care of the ball better than anybody in the league?
I guess not, but then explain Joey Harrington 2 places later.. Like I said, stats tell you everything at the same time they tell you nothing.
#56fanatic 12-04-2007, 05:47 PM These debates about JC are getting a little old. The guy is essentially a rookie, playing in his first full season. Most if not all Rookie QB's make the same basic mistakes we see from Campbell. You will see those highlight plays and games that make him look like a probowler, but you will also see those games where he struggles. That is with all QB's in the NFL, even vets. Lets not keep throwing Jason under the bus with these things. He has struggled some this year, but has made plays to win games. Would we even be talking about this if we hadn't blown 5 4th quarter leads and be sitting 10-2 or 9-3? I dont think so.
prinzeofmoval 12-04-2007, 05:59 PM Stats tell us everything and nothing.. He ranks behind such luminary QB as Joey Harrington, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Kellen Clemens and Rex Grossman.. Ball security is an issue as are his red zone decisions, but that's not enough to serve as a 'reality check' for those of us who think he's the best (present and future) we've had under center in well over 20 years..
plan and simple we dont have a go to guy in the red zone..we have a bunch of speedy recievers but none like the t.o.,moss,andre johnson throw the ball and i get it guys..and with a injured offensive line we cant expect for portis to pound it in.if these werent problems we'd have 5 more wins under our belt i.e. the packers,giants,bucs,eagles and cowboys...only game we actually lost was the patriots game..
rstone1979 12-04-2007, 06:00 PM These debates about JC are getting a little old. The guy is essentially a rookie, playing in his first full season. Most if not all Rookie QB's make the same basic mistakes we see from Campbell. You will see those highlight plays and games that make him look like a probowler, but you will also see those games where he struggles. That is with all QB's in the NFL, even vets. Lets not keep throwing Jason under the bus with these things. He has struggled some this year, but has made plays to win games. Would we even be talking about this if we hadn't blown 5 4th quarter leads and be sitting 10-2 or 9-3? I dont think so.
No we wouldnt be talking about it at all. The only problem is in most of those loses he did get us into position to win but he also found a way to turn the ball over.
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