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theJBexperience 12-06-2007, 02:31 PM I know we extended Pete Kendall's contract, but I thought the big issue with him in New York was that he wanted a long term deal, and they weren't willing to give him one. He's not making a whole lot for his value here. We only extended him a year, so I thought he'd want to test the FA waters. If not, keep him for his final year, he's replaced Dockery excellently.
It looks like there's some pretty good OL prospects this year in the draft. I hope we draft one.
SmootSmack 12-06-2007, 02:36 PM Well Fitzgerald isn't likely to want to come here. Supposedly he wants out because he doesn't feel he fits in Whis/Grimm's offense...which isn't all that different from ours. So...
As for trading Moss, I think if we were to do that Minnesota would be a perfect place for him.
freddyg12 12-06-2007, 02:37 PM I haven't followed the Cards much, but why would Fitzgerald be so anxious to get out of Arizona? I'd love to have him, but if the Cards traded him for Moss and a 3rd or 4th they'd be out of their minds. I guess he'd be looking to get into Dan's checkbook and that would be the motivation for forcing his hand in AZ? I just can't see it happening, is this a legitimate possibility?
W/the Skins it always if, but I would hope we wouldn't do that deal. I know Moss has had his issues, but he still plays w/heart & has improved as the year's gone on. I would rather add a cheaper vet or draft a big wr no higher than the 2nd round.
Fitzgerald will be looking for huge $ if he wants out of AZ, like at least $20mil in bonus.
I know we extended Pete Kendall's contract, but I thought the big issue with him in New York was that he wanted a long term deal, and they weren't willing to give him one. He's not making a whole lot for his value here. We only extended him a year, so I thought he'd want to test the FA waters. If not, keep him for his final year, he's replaced Dockery excellently.
It looks like there's some pretty good OL prospects this year in the draft. I hope we draft one.
He didn't want a long term deal from NY. His issue was he claimed the Jets renegged on a $1M bonus they promised him.
The Skins gave him a 2 year deal worth $4.5M and a $1.5M bonus.
theJBexperience 12-06-2007, 02:42 PM I haven't followed the Cards much, but why would Fitzgerald be so anxious to get out of Arizona? I'd love to have him, but if the Cards traded him for Moss and a 3rd or 4th they'd be out of their minds. I guess he'd be looking to get into Dan's checkbook and that would be the motivation for forcing his hand in AZ? I just can't see it happening, is this a legitimate possibility?
I think the big money in DC is an attraction, but apparently before last year's draft there was talk of a Vikings/ Cards swap: Troy Williamson and their #7 pick for Larry. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scorecard/02/08/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html)
It obviously didn't go down, and since then, there's been speculation on many boards about a trade. Even fans in the big D want to go after him. (http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/63677)
I guess when the Cards were entertaining offers, they wanted a pretty hefty price tag on him, but the way I see it. Santana Moss is twice as good as Troy Williamson, so a third round pick would be nice thrown into the mix. They might bite. I'd seriously think long and hard if they wanted Santana and a #2. But like I said in my post, he might be happier now, seeing how well the Cards are doing.
redsk1 12-06-2007, 02:58 PM My short list:
-Cut Lloyd (I know it's a given, I just can't wait for it to happen)
-Upgrade the WR corps. Moss is injured too often to be counted on as a #1. I would bring back Caldwell and McCardell (if he wants to play again).
-Replace Sean Taylor. Huge task I know, but I'm not convinced that we have his replacement on the roster currently.
-Keep the staff together for one more season. Injuries, a first year starter at QB, and now Taylor's death have been major obstacles this season. I'm not totally absolving the coaches, but I do think that they have faced some pretty major hurdles this season. Snyder won't fire Gibbs... Gibbs pretty much controls his own destiny here.
-Overall... minimize any changes. No need to panic and go on a free agent spending spree, and there's also no need to panic and blow up the roster.
Generally agree but I'm almost in the panic-ing blow up the roster thing. By this time next year if we are about the same w/ Gibbs and Co. i'll be blowing this team up (most of it). I've been patient for 3.75 years.
GhettoDogAllStars 12-06-2007, 03:21 PM I've said this many times before, but I feel like it should be said again:
In my opinion, patience in the NFL isn't 3 or 5 years. Having patience means waiting 10 years or more.
Imagine a team in dire straits: no depth and all aging veterans -- basically starting from scratch. If an entire roster has to be trashed, then everyone must be drafted or signed through free agency. So, each team has 7 draft picks per year, and it usually takes about 3 years for the average draft pick to mature to starting NFL caliber. That means -- if the drafting is flawless -- in about 3 or 4 years, 14 players could be starting that were drafted. Pickup the other 8 guys through FA, and you have your starting 22 (don't even talk about depth, yet). Of course, you could pick up undrafted guys, and sign people off of practice squads -- but now you're really reaching beyond the realm of reality.
Everyone wants success in a few years, but it just isn't realistic for a team with many needs. You'd have to hit on every draft pick, and they'd all have to develop well, and get along together as a team.
Teams that go from losing to playoff contenders in just a few years, usually have very few problems to correct.
I don't necessarily think we have too many problems to fix in a few years -- we've already begun the improvement process, IMO. With a few guys here and there, and a season with no injuries, we could go all the way.
Like Matty said, "Overall... minimize any changes." We need stability. The coaches should come up with a conservative 5 year plan, and a 10 year plan. They should strive to draft a couple good guys every year (any more is just gravy), and try to build a TEAM. Then they should stick to their plan, regardless of the media or fan opinion. It's hard, and it probably won't happen, but that is what I'd like to see: commitment to a long-term, well defined plan.
Paintrain 12-06-2007, 03:27 PM I've said this many times before, but I feel like it should be said again:
In my opinion, patience in the NFL isn't 3 or 5 years. Having patience means waiting 10 years or more.
Imagine a team in dire straits: no depth and all aging veterans -- basically starting from scratch. If an entire roster has to be trashed, then everyone must be drafted or signed through free agency. So, each team has 7 draft picks per year, and it usually takes about 3 years for the average draft pick to mature to starting NFL caliber. That means -- if the drafting is flawless -- in about 3 or 4 years, 14 players could be starting that were drafted. Pickup the other 8 guys through FA, and you have your starting 22 (don't even talk about depth, yet). Of course, you could pick up undrafted guys, and sign people off of practice squads -- but now you're really reaching beyond the realm of reality.
Everyone wants success in a few years, but it just isn't realistic for a team with many needs. You'd have to hit on every draft pick, and they'd all have to develop well, and get along together as a team.
Teams that go from losing to playoff contenders in just a few years, usually have very few problems to correct.
I don't necessarily think we have too many problems to fix in a few years -- we've already begun the improvement process, IMO. With a few guys here and there, and a season with no injuries, we could go all the way.
Like Matty said, "Overall... minimize any changes." We need stability. The coaches should come up with a conservative 5 year plan, and a 10 year plan. They should strive to draft a couple good guys every year (any more is just gravy), and try to build a TEAM. Then they should stick to their plan, regardless of the media or fan opinion. It's hard, and it probably won't happen, but that is what I'd like to see: commitment to a long-term, well defined plan.
What NFL have you been watching? The NFL I watch has the Saints go from 3-13 to 13-3.. The NFL I watch has been a league with new teams at the top almost yearly.. The NFL I watch has had the Ravens, Panthers, Bears, Rams, Pats, Seahawks, etc. go from obscurity to the Super Bowl almost overnight.. A 10 year plan??
GhettoDogAllStars 12-06-2007, 03:40 PM What NFL have you been watching? The NFL I watch has the Saints go from 3-13 to 13-3.. The NFL I watch has been a league with new teams at the top almost yearly.. The NFL I watch has had the Ravens, Panthers, Bears, Rams, Pats, Seahawks, etc. go from obscurity to the Super Bowl almost overnight.. A 10 year plan??
If you read my post, you'll notice that I said the teams who go from losing to playoff contenders overnight usually only have a few needs.
Also, just because a team turns it around for 1 year, doesn't mean they turned the corner, or are a playoff contender. The Saints, Ravens, Panthers, Bears, and Rams are all good examples of that. Personally, I don't think any of those teams are in much better position than we are. I don't have any aspirations to be like them. After all, we made the playoffs in 2005 -- does that mean we have turned the corner? Absolutely not.
I would rather be like the Pats, Chargers, or Steelers. They have lots of young talent, and they are patient.
Paintrain 12-06-2007, 04:09 PM If you read my post, you'll notice that I said the teams who go from losing to playoff contenders overnight usually only have a few needs.
Also, just because a team turns it around for 1 year, doesn't mean they turned the corner, or are a playoff contender. The Saints, Ravens, Panthers, Bears, and Rams are all good examples of that. Personally, I don't think any of those teams are in much better position than we are. I don't have any aspirations to be like them. After all, we made the playoffs in 2005 -- does that mean we have turned the corner? Absolutely not.
I would rather be like the Pats, Chargers, or Steelers. They have lots of young talent, and they are patient.
And none of them took 10 years to be good..
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