Cowell
12-03-2007, 03:45 PM
Look, I like JC and all but the guy does have some fumble issues. It seems like every time he gets sacked he fumbles, it can get pretty ridiculous. You can't tell me that the fumble yesterday during the 3rd quarter was terrible. He didn't get the ball swatted out of his hand when he was going back to throw he had it tucked and he was going down!
RobH4413
12-03-2007, 03:47 PM
LOL I can't believe someone wants to get rid of JC already. No, check that I'm not surprised at all. Just when you think you've heard it all, some idiot here will come out with an opinion that defies logic.
My thoughts exactly. I read some of his posts and I just put my head down and started laughing. I will, however, admit that Campbell through some nasty balls yesterday though. I loved being at the game, because I got to look at the field and sort of see what Campbell sees.
( on a side note : I wish there was a way you could buy some package and get different views of the game. Maybe a QB cam or something. I can't wait for the future)
I just remember seeing too much cushion, and Campbell would glance over, make his read, and fire haphazardly. He seemed to get rid of the ball as quick as possible, and just over throw his receivers some time. He's got a gun, and has got to learn how to give a little more touch.
I also saw a few plays where he anticipated some of the routes perfectly (most notably a deep curl route by McCardell) and threw the ball before the cut was even made. The ball sailed perfectly and landed right as he turned back and looked for the ball. The execution gave me goosebumps.
RobH4413
12-03-2007, 03:53 PM
Everyone is always talking about the fumbles, blah blah blah, but I mean COME ON, he's NOT AN RB and if he's running for his life because the offensive line can't block for shit, I don't lay that on him.
Yeah, It's one thing if he's taking off and scrambling with the ball all flailed out, but he's basically getting bum-rushed from behind and losing the ball on sacks. He's a competitor, and he's trying to make a play. I'm not going to ostracize him for that.
Will the "He's an NFL QB, NO EXCUSES", argument hold ground? Sure. But let's yell at our o-line before we start going apeshit and demanding that he be traded.
firstdown
12-03-2007, 03:54 PM
Look at Troy Aikmans first year as a starter. Carson Palmers as well. There are a ton of first year starters that struggle. Tom Brady's first year as a starter the Pats didn't make it back to the playoffs after winning the SB. Patience and a true Number 1 WR is what will make JC a household name. Everyone expects this team to be great overnight.
Tom Brady won that SB in 2002 then they missed the playoffs and won in 04 and 05 and if I'm correct it was his 1st year with the team.
sandtrapjack
12-03-2007, 04:17 PM
How to beat Chicago?
1.) Do not kick to Devon Hester
2.) Do not turn the ball over on a short field
Look at the past few games of the Bears. Hester scores on kicks and punts, and the only scores the offense get are on a short field.
In the last 2 games the Bears have had ONE offensive drive over 60 yards. The other scores are from the Bear defense getting a turnover and giving Grossman a short field, or, some idiot kicker that kicks to Hester.
Sunday vs the Giants, take away the 3 turnovers by the Giants and the Bears only score 3 points.
Last weekend vs the Broncos, take away Hester and there are only 14 points on the board and 7 of those are from a short field.
1) do NOT kick to Hester
2.) Do not turn the ball over
By accomplishing steps 1 and 2 you force Grossman to be a QB, and we all know he is not!
Benson is OUT and that puts the game squarley in Grossmans hands.
RobH4413
12-03-2007, 04:20 PM
Tom Brady won that SB in 2002 then they missed the playoffs and won in 04 and 05 and if I'm correct it was his 1st year with the team.You aren't correct. Tom Brady's first year with the team was in 2000.
Cowell
12-03-2007, 04:21 PM
You aren't correct. Tom Brady's first year with the team was in 2000.
I don't believe he started that year did he? If my memory serves me correctly he came in for an injured Drew Bledsoe and led his team to a Superbowl victory.
firstdown
12-03-2007, 04:34 PM
Ok, I looked it up and he started with the Pats in 2000 and started in 2001.
JankySpanky80
12-03-2007, 05:00 PM
Tom Brady won that SB in 2002 then they missed the playoffs and won in 04 and 05 and if I'm correct it was his 1st year with the team.
I thought the year they beat the rams was his 2nd year. Bledsoe started that season and Brady mopped up. When Bledsoe was released the following year which was Brady's first full year as a starter they did not do so hot.
rypper11
12-03-2007, 09:12 PM
Today's gameplan just didn't cut it for me. Reminded me of the game plan the Chiefs used in the playoffs against the Colts last year. No plan B.
I absolutely agree, however I'm willing to give a pass for a bad gameplan on this one.