Who called the 2nd timeout?

Gibbs called both and, frankly, I think it's one of the stupidest coaching moves I've ever seen. No excuse. Everyone knows you can't call 2 timeouts in a row.

You learn that in grad school. And he's a HOF coach!

This just added fuel to the fire. If it were just this week, kinda understandable. But we're seeing a trend and not going after it.

Exactly...if this were the Skins' first loss in a while, we could chalk it up to the team being down because of the death of Sean Taylor, but this is the FOURTH WEEK IN A ROW that the Skins have done this crap!!! Their defense has been doing a good job for the most part, but their offense CAN'T score, CAN'T make first downs, and CAN'T avoid turnovers when the game is on the line. I understand the O-line has been banged up as of late, but the playcalling, especially in the 4th quarter, has been atrocious.

Folks, there is NFW the Redskins are making the playoffs this year. Even if they had held on to beat the Bills by two points...the BILLS...there is NFW they will beat the Bears, Giants, Vikings, and Cowboys if they continue to play as poorly as they have done this season. They only have two convincing wins...the MNF game against the Eagles and the blowout of the Lions after the bye week. The Dolphins and Jets, two of the worst teams in the league, took the Redskins to OT, and the Redskins only beat the Cardinals because of a last-second FG attempt by the Cards that sailed just barely wide left.

Sorry folks...I love the Redskins, and I always will...but they are at best a mediocre team right now. I'll be surprised if they actually win any more games this season...it's looking like 5-11 again this year, folks!

So we're just going to completely absolve the defense for that 30 yard pass to Reed before the field goal attempt? There were like 6 Redskins around him and not a single one can make a play on the ball? And that's ok?

And by the way the Cardinals are 6-6 and just beat the potentially playoff bound Browns. And the Jets beat the playoff bound Steelers. Point is, I'm tired of having to apologize for our victories. We're 5-7. Yes that sucks, but don't just discredit their wins because they weren't "impressive" enough for you.

It's not the referee's job to educate a head coach on the rules.. It's like asking 'can I hold the DE if I get beat?' Sure you can hold him if you want, but I'm gonna flag you for holding.

Guys, no matter how we want to spin it, that was an unexcusable error. You have to know the rules, flat out.

The ref shouldn't have responded then. Just seems odd that he would say yes, a little misleading if you ask me. Coaches ask refs for clarification of the rules all the time. Don't get me wrong Gibbs is still responsible, but it's still worth discussing why the ref told him yes.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but what's up with the fact that Gibbs asked the ref if he could take back to back timeouts and the ref said yes??

He should know the rule, period or his coaches should be in his ear. No excuse for that. I don't quite understand how we can side w/ JG's on this one, he blew it.

The ref may have answered the question, w/ yes you can call a timeout w/out adding the fact there is a penalty.

Their kicker probably would have made it anyhow.

So we're just going to completely absolve the defense for that 30 yard pass to Reed before the field goal attempt? There were like 6 Redskins around him and not a single one can make a play on the ball? And that's ok?

And by the way the Cardinals are 6-6 and just beat the potentially playoff bound Browns. And the Jets beat the playoff bound Steelers. Point is, I'm tired of having to apologize for our victories. We're 5-7. Yes that sucks, but don't just discredit their wins because they weren't "impressive" enough for you.
While I agree that was a bad play but the D held the Bills to 15 points so it goes back on the O. I give Gibbs a "by" for that mistake but those three running plays before that was just very bad coaching. We could not run the ball all game and just needed one first down.

The ref shouldn't have responded then. Just seems odd that he would say yes, a little misleading if you ask me. Coaches ask refs for clarification of the rules all the time. Don't get me wrong Gibbs is still responsible, but it's still worth discussing why the ref told him yes.

I don't see why it's worth disucssing. It's not his job to educate coaches on the rules.. Asking for clarification is one thing, but asking on something absoulte is inexcusable.

Playing devils advocate, let's say Gibbs asked and the ref told him it was a penalty and he doesn't call it and Lindell missed the kick short. After the game, Gibbs says 'I was going to call the second timeout but the official reminded me it would be a 15 yard penalty so I didn't call it. Thanks to him, we probably won the game!' Can you imagine the firestorm coming out of Buffalo this morning? That's why the ref has to respond directly to the question asked, not offering anything more than 'yes, you can.'

I don't see what's wrong with asking a ref for clarification, again they do this all the time. Yes Gibbs should have known the rule, but if he wasn't clear and asked the ref and the ref says yes, you can call a time out, I think some blame has to be placed on the ref for misinforming the coach.

While I agree that was a bad play but the D held the Bills to 15 points so it goes back on the O. I give Gibbs a "by" for that mistake but those three running plays before that was just very bad coaching. We could not run the ball all game and just needed one first down.

Amen. I blame the coaching and the O on this one. When it comes down to crunch time we're running the ball. Even when we've averaged 2 yards a carry.

our D has not been able to stop the other team from scoring on the last drive for awhile now. we need them to come up with a defensive stands at vthe ends of games if we are going to win joe gibbs type football.

my brother thinks coach joe called the 2nd timeout on purpose to shoulder the blame and any criticism for the loss to protect the players from feeling like they let ST down. i said there is no way joe did that on a 51 yarder when there was still a chance at winning the game and providing a huge emnotional lift to this team.

whats more believable: joe goes out of his way to protect players from feeling like they let ST down or that he didnt know you cant call 2 timeouts in a row?

by the looks of the washington post it seems joe did a good job of attracting all the blame and criticism for the loss