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GhettoDogAllStars 11-28-2007, 11:08 AM It's all about judgment. To highlight the poor decisions of a murdered man -- one day after he died -- is to suggest judgment on him. There's no excuse for that whatsoever.
"Judge not, before you judge yourself."
GhettoDogAllStars 11-28-2007, 11:11 AM Heck so do I. But to paint such a large brush against all of ESPN and usually only ESPN is what gets to me. I know it shouldn't bother me, but it does. I'm sure you'd feel the same if every other week there were threads here about how all lawyers are money-hungry soulless scumbags. Granted, this isn't a message board about law firms.
People keep saying talk about the good person he is. Well ESPN has been, but the reality is that there was much more to him than just that. And it can't be nor should it be ignored. Problem is all people seem to be hearing is the negative.
Personally, I think it's wrong to mention the negatives. The man was MURDERED and died YESTERDAY. There's a reason why you don't mention negatives when giving a eulogy: it's too soon. People are still mourning. I understand that ESPN is a news network, however, some things are more important than your business. IT'S TOO SOON.
70Chip 11-28-2007, 11:30 AM The thing that's so unfortunate is that suppose this does turn out to be something scandalous. Does Cowherd think that he will have proven anything by assuming the worst in advance? Does he think a chorus of people will be singing his praises and congratulating him on his brilliant insight? He probably does. He's that awful. Cowherd has NCAA. And he's hideously untalented to boot.
WillH 11-28-2007, 11:37 AM Personally, I think it's wrong to mention the negatives. The man was MURDERED and died YESTERDAY. There's a reason why you don't mention negatives when giving a eulogy: it's too soon. People are still mourning. I understand that ESPN is a news network, however, some things are more important than your business. IT'S TOO SOON.
Agreed...Let's face it, none of us is perfect. All of us has things in the past we wish we could forget. From what we can tell ST had a shady past, moved on, and perhaps it came back to haunt him. This is no reason to call a man out on his past after his death. You'd think being murdered was enough without having your name dragged through the dirt. I doubt anyone would be okay with people discussing their past transgressions and insinuating they deserved what they got, especially on the day of their death. Why is ST different? Because he is famous? Perhaps...
But if you want my opinion its this. The media has no other angle to take, it is as simple as that. ST gave them nothing to work worth while he was alive, but what they could witness was his legal troubles and what not. Now, to make the story interesting, they are using what they can so that people will watch. Personally, I think it is despicable, but I guess that is why I wont be a journalist. And to be fair, the news only reports what people want to hear, so if people didnt buy into this type of thing then they wouldnt report it.
All in all, its a shame that for the sake of ones family and friends the media cant take the gloves off for a day or two you know? But I guess thats the nature of the beast.
GhettoDogAllStars 11-28-2007, 11:42 AM All in all, its a shame that for the sake of ones family and friends the media cant take the gloves off for a day or two you know? But I guess thats the nature of the beast.
Yeah, at least wait until the man is buried for crying out loud. :doh:
dgack 11-28-2007, 11:47 AM The thing that's so unfortunate is that suppose this does turn out to be something scandalous. Does Cowherd think that he will have proven anything by assuming the worst in advance? Does he think a chorus of people will be singing his praises and congratulating him on his brilliant insight? He probably does. He's that awful. Cowherd has NCAA. And he's hideously untalented to boot.
This is the problem with douchebag talking heads, regardless of their field (sports, politics, etc). They pollute what passes for journalism these days with borderline slander, wholly fabricated theories, and half-baked rumors, and if it turns out they're wrong, they never have to apologize, because there's usually some other scandal breaking or being manufactured that they turn their sights on.
If they're "right", though, even if it's in the most trivial or convoluted way, they'll bang that drum and continue to destroy whatever figure or institution they're savaging, until it's gone, because it's a "ratings fountain" for them.
The only way to beat these assclowns is to stop listening to them.
dgack 11-28-2007, 12:03 PM Cowturd further stated that ST was guilty of really bad judgment and even if ST had begun to turn things around in his life and distanced himself from his old followers, “just because you clean the rug it doesn’t mean you’ve cleaned the stains.”.
As I've said before in another thread, the big problem with this line of reasoning is that it suggests that it's okay to condemn an individual for youthful mistakes, as if growing up and being an adult human being is somehow a game of razor-thin margins where perfection is the only way to survive and win.
This is just utter crap, and I guarantee that nearly everyone on this board, as well as every one of those blowhards on the radio and TV, can probably think of some foolish incident in their youth that could have cost them their life in the form of accidental death or a jail sentence. If not, you led a pretty sheltered life as a teenager.
I'm not a huge fan of judging others, but there are obvious lines where it's appropriate and those where it's inappropriate. A guy like Pacman Jones, who doesn't seem to be learning his lessons in any way, or really making any effort to change? That's pretty obvious.
But to spew crap like, "cleaning the rug doesn't remove all the stains" is really hurtful, because it implies that a man who HAD realized the mistakes of his youth and WAS trying to be a better person, and by all accounts SUCCEEDING, somehow had it coming. And that's just completely counter to what most Americans believe.
artmonkforhallofamein07 11-28-2007, 12:08 PM This is ridiculous. There are some guys out there that are doing the right thing. the guys on Sirius NFL radio have said many positive things about Sean, and have made sure that people know that Sean was a changed man. that is what one of the very tragic things about this situation. The guy was doing the right thing.
Dlyne8r 11-28-2007, 12:14 PM This is ridiculous. There are some guys out there that are doing the right thing. the guys on Sirius NFL radio have said many positive things about Sean, and have made sure that people know that Sean was a changed man. that is what one of the very tragic things about this situation. The guy was doing the right thing.
Yep, after just now hearing Cowturd suggest we Redskin fans turn the dial if we didn't like what we were hearing, I believe I'll do just that. Goodbye Cowturd, I'll never return to this portion of ESPN Radio. I'll look into purchasing a subscription to Sirius NFL Radio instead. He even had the gall to tell us to return to our "message boards" where we think we have the greatest team on earth. :smashfrea
warriorzpath 11-28-2007, 06:20 PM My biggest gripe about the media is - the nature of sports journalism encourages them to be egotistical, cynical, judgmental, disrespectful, and most of all self-righteous loud-mouths. And then on top of that - these opinions are taken as fact by viewers or listeners that also don't know shit.
Get the fuck off your high horse assholes. Don't you guys have respect for anything? Everything is free-game for them to attack.
What I have found out about them with all of this is - they base their opinions on assumptions and rumors.
It's hard to listen to this load of crap right now. I will stop listening to Colin Cowherd and stop watching Jamie Dukes and Deion Sanders.
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