Gibbs leaving? Not a chance

Gibbs is not leaving until he brings us back to the playoffs and maybe a superbowl apperance.

If we don't make the playoffs he'll come back to fulfill his contract. Do you think he wants another coach to get the credit for what he's built? Just ask Parcells, I'm sure behind that smile of his, he's wishing he didn't retire and having Phillips, Jones and Garrett getting the credit for what he built.

Do you honestly believe that Dallas would be 9-1 with Parcells? I certainly don't. Garrett has that offense rolling, Phillips has that defense playing great pressure defense and able to completely mask a hurting secondary. The Cowboys would be mediocre with Parcells at the head of the ship.

The NFL is a PASSING LEAGUE now. Offenses that take chances and throw the rock are rewarded. Parcells would keep the offense cooped up. I know the Joe Gibbs crowd won't agree, but I'm about done with Joe. I would have been fine if he stepped away last year, this is his 4th year and he still has a losing record in his second term. If anything we should see Parcells as an example that the old guard is and should be on its way out.

Not a single person on this board would be defending the coach if his last name wasn't Gibbs. I totally respect and thank Gibbs for what he did in his first term. It's amazing and he certainly demands all the credit he got then. Why can't fans of this team step back and see that this team isn't winning under Gibbs, and it's tough to make a case that the team has even improved from year to year.

Do you honestly believe that Dallas would be 9-1 with Parcells? I certainly don't. Garrett has that offense rolling, Phillips has that defense playing great pressure defense and able to completely mask a hurting secondary. The Cowboys would be mediocre with Parcells at the head of the ship.

The NFL is a PASSING LEAGUE now. Offenses that take chances and throw the rock are rewarded. Parcells would keep the offense cooped up. I know the Joe Gibbs crowd won't agree, but I'm about done with Joe. I would have been fine if he stepped away last year, this is his 4th year and he still has a losing record in his second term. If anything we should see Parcells as an example that the old guard is and should be on its way out.


Why do people say things Like "I'm about done with Joe" or "I've had it with Joe". Are you going to switch teams if they don't hire a new coach? Other than that possibility, which could hardly be characterized as a tragedy, it doesn't really matter what you want.

I would have been fine if he stepped away last year, this is his 4th year and he still has a losing record in his second term. If anything we should see Parcells as an example that the old guard is and should be on its way out.


First off, the season is not over yet, so you can't judge Gibbs on his 4th year. Second, show me any coach with a QB with 1 year under his belt that has been a winner? Brady& Rothlisberger are the only ones I can think off. Young, The Mannings, Lineart, Cluter, Smith, etc. what did they do with one year under belt? Did they go to the playoffs or SB? PATIENCE will pay off, watch Campbell this weekend and the rest of the year, then you can judge.

Do you honestly believe that Dallas would be 9-1 with Parcells? I certainly don't. Garrett has that offense rolling, Phillips has that defense playing great pressure defense and able to completely mask a hurting secondary. The Cowboys would be mediocre with Parcells at the head of the ship.

The NFL is a PASSING LEAGUE now. Offenses that take chances and throw the rock are rewarded. Parcells would keep the offense cooped up. I know the Joe Gibbs crowd won't agree, but I'm about done with Joe. I would have been fine if he stepped away last year, this is his 4th year and he still has a losing record in his second term. If anything we should see Parcells as an example that the old guard is and should be on its way out.

Not a single person on this board would be defending the coach if his last name wasn't Gibbs. I totally respect and thank Gibbs for what he did in his first term. It's amazing and he certainly demands all the credit he got then. Why can't fans of this team step back and see that this team isn't winning under Gibbs, and it's tough to make a case that the team has even improved from year to year.I agree with some of what you are saying here, Daseal, and you bring up some good points, but it's possibly your best one that you yourself should heed.

Why can't fans of this team step back and see that this team isn't winning under Gibbs

It takes no effort to look at records and see that Gibbs hasn't been as successful as one would have liked to been up until this point. I ask you to step back and take a look at all the positives that Gibbs has brought since he's been here. Mostly in the players. From the vets he brought in to the draft classes he has had, look at the foundation of this team that can be attributed to his scouting abilities.

Now try to match that up with what the rest of us are seeing. If you just assume that you are smarter than the rest of us and that you can see things about Joe Gibbs' struggles that the rest of us cannot because we are all blind optimists who don't understand successes and failures...then I doubt either side is going to have a good discussion from debating these points.

Step back, and re-evaluate.

Gtripp, no doubt Gibbs has brought a ton in the way of players to the team. I feel that he has attempted, for the most part, to try to put a win now team in place with expensive veteran players over the draft, but hasn't totally handcuffed us like before. If Gibbs were to step into a President role where he played a part in the player acquisition/scouting/whatever department, I would be thrilled with the move. Often coaches doing both player management and team management don't excel at both, each job is a more than full-time position and I don't feel as if one person can contribute enough to doing both.

My gripe certainly isn't with the talent on this team, my problem is with the way the team reacts. I keep hearing players aren't executing, and that's true. However, when players not executing becomes the rule, not the exception, much of that blame has to go somewhere on the coaches for not fixing the problems.

If you interpreted my post to be an "I'm smarter than you" I apologize. It wasn't meant that way. I don't think many other members can't see Gibbs shortcomings, I think they refuse to. They're attached to the Gibbs they saw in the 80's and can't fathom that the NFL is too different today for him to coach at a top notch level.

First off, the season is not over yet, so you can't judge Gibbs on his 4th year. Second, show me any coach with a QB with 1 year under his belt that has been a winner? Brady& Rothlisberger are the only ones I can think off. Young, The Mannings, Lineart, Cluter, Smith, etc. what did they do with one year under belt? Did they go to the playoffs or SB? PATIENCE will pay off, watch Campbell this weekend and the rest of the year, then you can judge.
First of all, from what I understand, most NFL coaches get three years to get their players, systems, etc in place before really getting on the hot seat. Most coaches that end their 3rd season with one of the highest payrolls in the NFL and a 5-11 record get shown the door. The NFL doesn't allow for team building like it did before free agency. Secondly, I can judge Gibbs on the games I've seen this year. Is the year over, no. Could he shock me, possibly. However, up until this point we've been a wildly inconsistent team that plays up and down to competition, we do our best to keep our opponents close (sans Detroit), we lose to teams we should beat (see Giants/Eagles), and we barely squeak out wins against teams we should crush (see Jets/Dolphins). That is not a good sign for things to come.

My question to you, how many games has Campbell lost us? I'd say 0. They wait until there's 5 minutes left in the 4th to let him go, by that point hes forcing throws, etc. You could say the Dallas game, but that was a rare loss I can pin on the defense. Springs and PP getting worked hard by TO all day long. I don't feel Campbell has made much of an impact either for or against the teams record. I'll say this much, we have a better record and chance with him than Brunell or Collins in there.

Why do people say things Like "I'm about done with Joe" or "I've had it with Joe". Are you going to switch teams if they don't hire a new coach? Other than that possibility, which could hardly be characterized as a tragedy, it doesn't really matter what you want.
You're right, there's nothing fans can do. Just wait if he's around for another year and if we have a miserable season. The chants of Joe must go will be loud late in the year for our remaining home games. It really doesn't matter what I want, but every week more and more Redskins fans are giving up on the Gibbs experience and marking it up as another coaching failure to follow Spurrier, Norv, et al. The fans want production regardless of who the coach is, the NFL is about winning. While I myself can't do anything, a large group of fans can.

Everyone is welcome to their opinion. I don't expect to change anyones opinion on Joe Gibbs as they won't change mine. History will remember his 2nd stint as coach of the Washington Redskins as a failure. That's how I feel and it would take a hell of a run to change that.

Here's a question for you, if Snyder fired Gibbs, would you still support the team fully? I know it's hypothetical and would never happened. But you seem so sure that no one can impact what the club does and you just have to suck it up and support the skins through thick and thin. Would you be happy with him being kicked to the curb, or would you voice your concern?

First of all, from what I understand, most NFL coaches get three years to get their players, systems, etc in place before really getting on the hot seat. Most coaches that end their 3rd season with one of the highest payrolls in the NFL and a 5-11 record get shown the door.

You are right about that, with the exception that most or none of those coaches have a bust in Canton. Also, when Gibbs came in he replaced Ramsey and had to start all over again with a young QB, that takes time. He inherited a salary cap mess that kind of handcuffed him to what he can/cannot do. Blame Danny and Vinny for that mess.

I love how Snyder criticizes people for thinking they can understand a coach's motives, using Spurrier's contract as an example, then goes on to do exactly that, opining about something which he knows nothing of...Gibbs's future plans.

What a crapola op-ed.

Exactly who in 2004 could've put together any reasonable successful team after what Spurrier and the clan did to this team? There is no fan of this team that didn't want to see this team succeed right away. Yet, Gibbs is criticized for trying to find players who could step in and make an immediate impact while finding players who could build a bright future for this team. This is exactly what Gibbs said he wanted to do when he came to Washington. This is exactly what he has tried to do, and with some success, has done so. People yell and scream about wanting a young coach, yet they don't see that the young coaches in the league who are successful have inherited really good teams. Gibbs inherited a complete mess. I'd rather have a hall of fame coach who knows how to be successful trying to figure this mess out, rather than a guy with no head coaching experience on this level at all.

Exactly who in 2004 could've put together any reasonable successful team after what Spurrier and the clan did to this team? There is no fan of this team that didn't want to see this team succeed right away. Yet, Gibbs is criticized for trying to find players who could step in and make an immediate impact while finding players who could build a bright future for this team. This is exactly what Gibbs said he wanted to do when he came to Washington. This is exactly what he has tried to do, and with some success, has done so. People yell and scream about wanting a young coach, yet they don't see that the young coaches in the league who are successful have inherited really good teams. Gibbs inherited a complete mess. I'd rather have a hall of fame coach who knows how to be successful trying to figure this mess out, rather than a guy with no head coaching experience on this level at all.

Another perfect example is the Cowboys. This would have been Parcells 5th year and look what they have accomplished. It took 5 years, 2 HOF coaches can't be wrong? Can they? If not this year, wait till next year, people will be crowning Gibbs as the best coach ever!!!